The difference between a dog person and a peddler.

The difference between a dogman and a peddler is, a dogman stands behind his dogs and puts his money where his mouth is.
Or at least tries to add to the quality of the bloodline by doing something with it other then just peddling dogs or pups.

Better dog people in the pass has bred and sold dogs and pups, from Colby, Corvino, to Carver, from Armitage to Boudreaux., then what posts on this board!
If they didn't then no one would have the stock they have today.

When people won't sell something, and BTW I believe a person needs to pay or they won't respect it as much when it is free. It doesn't get the chance on average, one of the main reasons is because they are afraid no one will want them or the dog won't show the quality they run off at the mouth about.

There are other reasons but most of the time, down deep, they know..
BTW don't buy into the idea they don't want to go against their own bloodline BS.
No one really has total control of any line..

I personally never found it all the scary to compete with a dog.
But I do find respect for the many breeders who have created a line by proving it.
It doesn't matter what arena it was in.

 

Nice post, although there are a a couple of things that I tend to disagree with.
I do not always think that just because a person paid money for something that will respect it. I say that because there are a lot of unwanted people that own this breed. The majority of those deal in drugs. When you have money that was not worked for, it means nothing to throw it away. Most of those people that do that sort of thing do not respect the animals. They are bought or bred for protection of their home and drugs.

On the other hand, I also believe that many people have received pups from good breeders for free and have done nicely with them. I know the ones we let ours go to are fabulous.

I believe this because you cannot become a good reputable breeder if you have no reputation (good or bad) A lot of the dog men I know to this very day said the same thing. They bred what they knew was right and gave them to good people. They earned their respect and love for the breed that way. They made no money, they lost a lot. But in the end they gained more than they ever lost, an outstanding line of dogs and respect in the APBT dog world.

I am not a breeder, so please do not think that I am. But we did have a litter a few years back. We were planning on becoming breeders, but in time the population was overwhelming, and decided there were enough breeders out there, good and bad. It would be a different story if the breed was not in the shape that it is in.

 

I reckon you posted this because the majority of folks seems to be of the opinion if a person sells pups they are worthless and trash?

I truely believe that part of the AR doctrine has been implanted into a younger generation and therefor, folks who breed and sell pups are destroying the breed. Only way I can see a "good" breeder adding to the problem is by not screening prospective buyers hard enough.

To many here, I'd be considered a puppy peddler. I breed dogs and I sell them. Also to many, I'd be considered a backyard breeder, because I have bred dogs in the backyard.

But like you said, many famous dogmen bred and sold pups.

 

Are you referring to me? If so, that comment is completely wrong. I do not feel that way at all. But I do think that people that just breed dogs and then try to sell them for hundreds is being a little a nieve, when they no reputation. When you are starting out, I see nothing wrong with giving away pups. When you have become established then, in my opinion, you have earned the right to sell and it is to be expected and people know that they are getting quality pups.

Why is everyone trashing everything I say on this board?

 

This maybe true, but like I said, there are plenty of good breeders for the time being. This breed is in a lot of danger right now, and I would like to see it stop. All of the good dogs, for the most part, are hidden way out in the country behind fences, where most dog men/women live. Which is understandable, but at the same time, the public is not getting to see these dogs! Those dogs are the ones they need to see. They see the man biters, they do not see the happy go lucky dog chained up in the back yard. They see a completely malnourished dog on a 3 ft chain, that gets food thrown to it once a week, if it is lucky. That is why I did not want to bring more into this world. Not until it dies down a little bit.

 

Woe, woe, backup there. I dont roll like that. I wasnt referring to you, and am sorry if you took it that way. I meant exactly what I said, if I had been referring to you, I would have responded directly. Lighten up a bit, and realize that even when you are acosted directly, many of us are dog people, and we dont dance around what we want to say. Anyway, it is more important for you to live in your skin than to worry about what other folks think.

 

I feel the same way. I say what I feel needs to be said. I do not play games with words. I am sorry for the implication.

 

Hmmm.. now come on IM, you know that not everyone who gets a free pup or dog acts like that. But I know what you are talking about, just give the rest of us some credit.

I am going to go out on a limb here. I see nothing wrong with breeding a litter. I see nothing wrong with selling some pups out of that litter. a true breeder is going to keep a majority anyway, whether it be at their kennel or as farm outs ..where as the true peddler sells everything everytime, maybe trading pups for a stud fee or something..

 

Hey Mikey thank you so much for the Fergie got his dogs from Blair story.Man thats the funnyest stuff I have EVER read on the net.We are all rolling on the floor over that one.I havent laughed that hard in years.Please please call Capt oh wait I know you dont have his number but call ANY one of those dogmen and tell them that.You would be laughed right out of the dogs.Dude a first year rookie would know Fergie is a bullshit artist.hahahahahaha He never even meet Mr Hetrick.Can you say GULLABLE HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA.tHANK YOU AGAIN THAT WAS PRICELESS.
Oh I didnt read your post just the title and a peddler is just that.Anyway have a nice life and good luck with all you do.

 

A peddler is some one who breeds mainly for the MONEY to sell pups with every thing else being secondary.

While a real dogman breeds mainly for HIMSELF for what he needs and everything else is secondary.

 

What happened? Did everyone miss the words on AVERAGE? I didn't say all the time. Most of the time.
I gave away more dogs then I ever sold....
You of all people should know that.

 

Nice post IM! I put your name in on the list to become a Super Moderater!!! hahaha - you have my vote!

 

Virgil dogs;279767]Hey Mikey thank you so much for the Fergie got his dogs from Blair story."

You are welcome Virey..

"Man thats the funnyest stuff I have EVER read on the net.We are all rolling on the floor over that one.I havent laughed that hard in years"

Well, the fact is, when Blair got rid the last of his dogs, they went to Fergie.
Dam kid, I saw them there!

"Please please call Capt oh wait I know you dont have his number but call"

Why would I want to do that? Captain didn't even know what a bulldog was when Blair was active.
BTW, I've called him so many times I found it to be a joke.
If Buns was alive he would also tell you about a deal.
Man your really trying to shovel it heavy by trying to make like people was around at a time when they weren't!

"ANY one of those dogmen and tell them that.You would be laughed right out of the dogs.Dude a first year rookie would know Fergie is a bullshit artist.hahahahahaha He never even meet Mr Hetrick.Can you say GULLABLE HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA.tHANK YOU AGAIN THAT WAS PRICELESS."

Talk about Gullable, who ever told you that is more full of crap then a Christmas turkey.
Why? Dig this kid, I stood there at Blair's with R.F!
It must really grind your ass the good dogs Fergie has had over the years you never had.
BTW, laugh me out? ROTFLMMFAO @ U!
They can do what they want when they are paying me!

"Oh I didnt read your post just the title and a peddler is just that.Anyway have a nice life and good luck with all you do."

Well I guess your idol would be too. ))
Because he sold dogs.
Son, you don't need luck when you have skill....

 

My reply from another thread...

And I really don't care who you are or what you've done!!!

 

With his mood swings if Mike where a mod we would all eventually get banned.

 

I have my own board.
I visit this board to see who is a wake and get a good laugh at some of the ones who blow smoke.
This board would make me want to walk it instead as most does and just talk it..:cool:

I don't hide behind fake handles and talk smack.
You can find this handle in the sporting mags....

 

Not mood swings, just get tried of the cur yaping and see who wants to find the truth in the talk.

 

Even though I don't have your dogs, Mike I would still like to call you and tap your encyclopedia of knowledge about these dogs. Can I?

 

The difference between a dog man and a snitch...

Illegal dog fighting and abuse present in Albion but hard to stop

Photo Courtesy of Debbie Jaworski

April 27, 2007
By Izzi Bendall and
Andrew Kimball
Senior Writers

A tire swing hangs in the backyard of a dejected Albion house. The only adornment gracing its overgrown surroundings: a toy that dangles too high for a child’s reach. At the swing’s base rests a wooden platform, another indication that perhaps something is not right with this particular piece of playground equipment—that perhaps this swing is used for a less innocent purpose than evoking smiles from children: dog fighting. Perhaps, but the authorities will never know for sure.

"Witnesses don’t want to get involved," said Mark Robinson, prosecuting attorney of Robinson Law Offices. "No one will step forward."

Any involvement in dog fighting—from actually fighting the animals to simply spectating—is a felony in Michigan, yet this doesn’t stop the severe abuse of animals that occurs only steps away from Albion College’s campus.


A Prime Location

Connecting two metropolitan giants—Detroit and Chicago—Interstate 94 bustles with heavy shipping vehicles daily, each truck or van carting its designated goods across the state to Detroit, Jackson, Battle Creek—and, of course, Albion.


Photo Courtesy of Jamie McAloon-Lampman

"It comes along with other illegal activities: gambling, prostitution and drugs," said Bille Wickre, professor of art and member of the Battle Creek Humane Society’s board of trustees. "It’s all along the [Interstate] 94 corridor."

Albion suffers the same problem as its neighboring cities along I-94.

"Public safety is well aware there is a [dog fighting] problem in Albion," said Albion Department of Public Safety Chief Eric Miller, when discussing an incident that occurred about a year ago. "We were called in for domestic violence and were led to where [the owners of the property] had been training dogs [for fighting]."

Miller confirmed that the police found exercise treadmills—a common indication of dog fighting—used to work the dogs and develop their muscles. However, Miller refused to release any further information, as the case is still under investigation.


Signs of Suspicion

Trained at informational meetings on the subject of dog fighting, Wickre learned how to recognize dog fighting areas during seminars presented at the humane society.

Signs include not only treadmills, but tires suspended from trees as well. According to Wickre, canines are made to leap up and latch onto the tires, hanging in midair until their mouths can’t support their body weight anymore; this strengthens the jaw muscles, making the canine a stronger fighter.

But these signs, albeit strong indicators, are not always enough to put offenders behind bars. Witnesses hardly ever step forward and the physical signs of dog fighting may disappear, according to both Robinson and Miller.

Cases that depend on the actual dogs as evidence are usually lost as a result of faded bite marks and injuries.

"The dogs do heal," said deputy Michael Vanderbilt, animal control officer for Albion and Battle Creek. "After six months, people will come in [to where the fighting dogs are being held] and see that there are no scars, [concluding] that they can’t be fighting dogs."

But some dogs never recover.

"Dogs have been buried [in Albion] that show the signs of fighting," Robinson said.

Miller denied any knowledge of dog burial sites in Albion.


Other Victims

Dogs aren’t the only animals who suffer in this vicious sport.

Audrey is a 3-year-old calico cat and named after Miss Hepburn herself. While her owner, Rick Crandall, Real Coffee shop owner, gives her free range of the area surrounding Superior Street, he worries about letting her stray.

"There have been a couple of times when I’ve panicked," Crandall said. "Small pets are used as bait [in dog fighting], and I know people have lost their cats before."

Katherine Key, Albion Paint Spot employee and Airedale dog rescuer, also worries about cats like Audrey.

"When people have ‘free kitten’ signs, it’s awful," Key said. "People don’t know [about the possible consequences], so they’re just asking for [the animals to get captured and used as bait]."

But while fighting dogs subject small animals to injury and death prior to a fight, the dogs themselves are not at fault.


An Undeserved

Reputation

Michelle Holmes, Jackson County animal control shelter volunteer and founder of Take Paws, an animal rescue program within Jackson, clarified that most fighting dogs (who are predominately pit bulls) are not "bad" from birth; rather, they are trained to be aggressive.

Breeder Retriever, an informational Web site for dog enthusiasts, recognizes the widespread misconceptions of these "bad dogs" as well.

The description of the American Staffordshire Pit Bull’s (American Pit Bull) temperament reads: "Perhaps no other breed in the world has a reputation as undeserved as does the American Staffordshire Terrier, or pit bull as it is often called colloquially… [The pit bull’s] intelligence, bravery and great desire to please its master make it very easy for unscrupulous owners to instill aggression in the breed."

Breeder Retriever lists the average weight of the pit bull between 57-67 pounds. However, fighting dogs are usually bulked up significantly, according to Holmes.

"Sometimes [heaviness] is genetic," Holmes said. "But when [the dogs are] 80 pounds and walking around with scars, that’s not right."


An Unclear Conclusion

While such altered features are usually strong indicators of a fighting dog, not much can be done about the dog fighting, according to Miller.

"It’s like drug dealing," Miller said. "It’s not on the street corner—it’s in a garage or a basement."

Even indications of dog fighting do not allow officers to investigate a residence.

"If we see a lot of cars outside a house, we just can’t go in," Miller said.

There are those, however, who know exactly what occurs in those basements.

One city of Albion student, who wished to remain anonymous, knows several dog fighters from town. While he has never seen an organized fight, the student is familiar with the subject.

"I know that when [the owners] get their puppies, they toss [the dogs] around to toughen them up," the student said, describing the treatment he has witnessed in fighters’ homes. "When [the dog] is purchased, their goal is to make it a fighting dog."

As far as the people who train fighting dogs, the student said that "they might be in a lower tax bracket, but it’s not like they need the money."

But as far as what will come of these fighters and dogs remains unknown.

"My understanding is that dog fighting has always been Albion’s dirty little secret," Robinson said. "People know who’s doing it, but they just can’t prove it."


Rules of the Game

In a recent court case against James Kellay Jr., witness Mike Norrod, third generation pit bull breeder, had knowledge of dog fighting from 30 years ago:
Owners would first wash their dogs, with someone from the opposing party present, with mortician’s soap so the animals were "pristine." This was to ensure that the dog was not rubbed with LSD or anything that would disorient or kill the opposing dog when he bit into his opponent.

Dogs used to fight on wood floors, which gradually evolved into canvas and then into carpet. According to Norrod, fighting dogs on dirt floors is "inhumane" and amateur, as airborne particles can confuse and harm the dogs. When dogs are weighed by the referee, if one is heavier by even an ounce than the original weight agreed upon, the owner must forfeit the game.

According to Cajun Rules listed on http://www.animallaw.info/articles/d...ting.htm#_edn5, "No sponging shall be allowed, and no towels or anything else taken into the pit by the handlers except a bottle of drink for his dog and a fan to cool him with. The handlers must taste their dogs drink before the referee to show that it contains no poison."


* To clarify, the previous rules are those of professional dog fighters, not necessarily street dog fighters...

http://www.albion.edu/pleiad/2007_sp...community1.asp

Thats why he don't care what he says !!!

Not for dog fighting at all but not for snitches ether, this explans his post though

Still backng him?

 

Don't be shy/scared now :rolleyes:

Know who your talking about before opening you mouth