Would you let the blood die?

holee screamin' jeebus. So you are going to base a breeding program on a mutt? And exactly WHAT makes this dog worthy of being bred?

 

Actually my male comes from a good man who feels the same way I and very few others feel about papers. As long as we know what we got. We don't breed for money around here. Well not us very few. I'm not completely sure yet that he's worth being bred. Still a work in progress. His dam and sire were surely worth it. He's merely a mutt, maybe to you guys that don't him and to others and I'd like to keep it that way. I like when people think of me or my dog as the underd-dog. Pretty papers doesn't make anything purebred anyway. It's too easy to lie about it. I'd rather keep it to myself. We have our own circle of guys we deal with when it boils down to these bulldogs. It's too much work to be trusting anyone nowawdays.

 

To yall he's unknown b/c he has no papers, to me he's becoming worthy.

 

im not dogging ya i dont know anything about breeding ,i just know how everyones going to react,BTW what do you mean he's a mutt?is he not papered or he's litteraly a mutt?

 

guess it depends on what "excellent" and "absolutley superb" really means. why do you feel like out of thousands of hounds that lack what it takes to be a "complete package" that you just so happen to have that one? Wait....are you feeding gr ch "chuco loco" cause it sounds like his story...and he didnt produce crap. and the blood died anyway. lol. so maybe that and the over populated pitbull commuity should steer you in the right direction. enjoy the dog thats what there here for!!

 

if this dog, has a specific capability and/or unique qualities in any sports or works, i would not let the blood die.

 

sorry to be the guy taking the conversation backwards but what's the controversy w/ Frisco? Are you referring to how he was bred or the billion bitches he was bred to?

 

I don't know who you've been talking to, but the breeders I know who charge that much for dogs do so because of the tremendous amount of time, money, and effort they've put into them. A dog's registration doesn't enter into the price because they'd never breed a dog that wasn't legitimately registered anyway. I'd rather pay $500 (or more) for a dog from parents who've been shown, worked, health-tested, worked and shown some more, etc., than get a dog for free from parents who've done nothing but eat, crap and breed.

 

cheekie: No one said Scratchy's dog was a mutt. Just b/c it doesn't have a known background doesn't mean it's a mutt. There are plenty of purebred pit bulls out there that are not pedigreed.

Baha: If Scratchy says the dog is a good dog he must have worked it in some arena. We must remember that some folks are more private in nature & for whatever reason, they choose prefer not to disclose on a public MB what their basis for their breeding program is.

JMHO guys ...

 

Just use the search feature. The Frisco debate has been covered a million times. Basicly some ppl don't believe that all of the dogs that are supposed to be off of him are really off of him.

 

ABK, I didn't say anything about Scratchy's dog.

 

I thought no-one would get it. Hell, I really didn't expect anybody to. You proved me wrong. The way I figure it is this: people also like papers for bragging rights. We don't talk much over here.

On another note, papers or no papers don't matter because along the lines someone could have easily lied. I choose not to go too far into generations upon generations.

 

Unreal. No wonder this breed is in the shape it is in. Everyone with a pit bull ( or that they THINK is a pit bull) claims their dog is worthy of breeding. Let's encourage more back yard breeding while we're at it!! WooHoo!! Hell, MY dogs are good dogs! But they aren't worthy of being bred.



( you might want to take a look at people's posts before you justify their breeding program )

 

It really doesn't matter whether or not we condone breeding or not. It's going to happen. Whether or not the dogs in question and their offspring will flourish, will be up to the dogs.

A BYB will continue to breed shiteaters and manbiters that people will buy into as puppies. As the dogs grow, their defaults will show and the owners either get rid of them, give them away, etc. Either way, they usually end up in the AC or euth'd. That means that BYB's bloodline is crappola and those dogs will never make it.

On the other hand, papered or not, good dogs will continue to make good dogs and great companions. If a person is serious about his breeding program and his dogs (papered or not) are exceptional specimens of a dog (not just the breed), then the people that take in his line of dogs will also feel the same way. In turn they won't get rid of their dogs as quick as the people who bought into a BYB. Who knows, maybe these good offspring will in turn be exceptional animals and have exceptional offspring.

My point is, whether or not it's a 100% papered APBT, the dog can still be an exceptional dog and his or her's offspring could also be exceptional animals.

 

GOOD post! I know noone really cares what I think but I agree! and I'm with scratchy on this one, The dog is no less of a dog because of what a peace of paper says or doesn't say! Papers wont help the dog in the [] thats when the lying and braging stops is when you step on that line and put forth what you have. "Let the dog speak for himself and NOT his Pedigree"

 

Guess thats how that gonner blood got thrown into the mix on that ped you posted...LOL

Edit: In other words I would have never of gone that rout,nor would it have ever crossed my mind too. But Obvoiusly someone else thought to give it a whirl.

Yes, I am being sarcastic...LOL

 

So you condone the breeding of a possible mutt just because it looks like a "pit" & acts nice?

Geez.......I seriously think I need some time away from the board.

 

well i am gonna tell you what i think.if this was back in the 40's to before it was made illegal to match these animals i would say,if the dog was a perfect dog meaning he was a exceptional pit dog was put together good had perfect temperment in other words a true bulldog,i would more than likely back him into a bitch that was a proven producer down from proven producers and keep every single pup from that litter and seen what devolped.if nothing come of it they would all be culled on the spot.if some made it i would keep them and see how they produced and went from there.but today where it is illegal to match these animals i see no purpose to do this.there are many proven lines today that can offer you a dog to suit your needs so there really ain't no need going through all this headache for years and years.so my anwser is in this day and age no i would not breed a dog of unknown background.

 

Just to set the record straight here a bit, my lovely wife (Excelsior-mom) posed this as a hypothetical. She was by no means saying she/we have/had a dog of unknown or at least unpapered origin that is in our opinion worthy of being bred. This is just to see how people think, and get some interesting conversation and debate going. I definitely think her question has done that.

 

Buddy, you & I don't see eye to eye. I'm with Scotsman on this. There is no reason to breed a possible mutt just because it looks like a "pit" & acts like a "pit" (whatever the hell that might mean). From reading your posts, you don't have a clue about breeding dogs. You can't just throw any 2 dogs together & think that the resulting pups are going to get the best from both worlds. And in a dog that you know nothing of his history, much less what breed or mix of breeds it is, it is virtually impossible to know what might show up in offspring.

There are enough good dogs with known lineage out that & I think we should stick to those. And I'm not talking about registered dogs here.