Vise Grip's Poncho 1xw 1xl

Came across this while I was checking some peds out. What's the truth about this Poncho dog?

Someone is claiming that all achievements of his offspring are just internet bullshit:
http://www.apbt.online-pedigrees.com/modules.php?name=Public&file=printPedigree&dog_id=283160

Real ped
http://www.apbt.online-pedigrees.com/modules.php?name=Public&file=printPedigree&dog_id=1033

thanks

 

like him alot and the sweet nelly breeding like that one best

 

sweet nelly is on my bitch's ped in the 3or 4 gen along with her son wild west's big duke from the PCK arrow2x w breeding ....im tellin ya some good ass dogs are out their from that bitch !! in the right persons hands ..the world would see !!! people can talk shit all you want ...if you have had anything off her you would know !!

 

Poncho has produced much much more than EChamps, regardless of your opinion of the breeder of this line...

 

Oke thanks, so the BS about him being only a producer of Echamps is not true?
I knew people didn't like the breeder. But didn't know they would be so low to make fake peds on the internet to pick on someon.

 

Poncho was a good dog lost because of Cali Jack not doing a correct keep at the time but he produced his ass off!

 

Not saying the breeder hasn't embellished a time or two.. I don't know, one way or the other... all I know is that the dog DID produce some great dogs, and the poncho dogs STILL produce good game dogs today... i don't feed any poncho blood but would not turn it down, even if it came from Vise Grip

 

I agree with you Bobby!

 

Good blood that continues to produce. My best bitch got some good Hollingsworth/Patrick blood

Old clip of Poncho...

http://www.youtube.com/user/Ricflair1975#p/u/9/NwzYKafxyc4

 

I have heard lots of stories about what a douch-bag Cali Jack is. I think most are true. I do not have Poncho dogs, and probaly will never have them. That being said, that stuff is for real, and It throws a high percent of game dogs.

 

Thats not the story i heard if i remember right he was picked up during a count alot of people considered it a quit. But he did produce good hard to take that away from him and Jack can be an ass alot of people dont like him but he does know his stuff and has bred some good ones.

 

Thanks for the replies !

 

http://www.apbt.online-pedigrees.co...ile=printPedigree&dog_id=331983&myPedigrees=1 I like mine alot 7 months 24 lbs but very smart lil guy.

 

Lord, Cali Jack is a real tool. However the Poncho stuff is credible. I don't care for the man but the dog is fine.

 

Decent dog but better bloodline!

 

C.J. is only an asshole to people who are assholes to him or talk shit on him, I talk to him from time to time and he has never been that way with me, He knows his shit wether or not people want to admit it or not. And yes he can be full of himself but show me a real dogman that isn't:rolleyes:......... He continues to put out real deal dogs and while he is a bit cocky at times, He has made a bigger contrubution to this breed than most of the people on here that talk shit about him.........Personally, I have no intrest in the Poncho dogs myself but I can give credit where credit is due....... Plus regardless of whom he plegerized or whos info he used through out his book, it is by far the best book out there currently on these dogs and is a GREAT book for anyone who is truly into these dogs ......

 

Oh yeah, and he is still putting out legit winners (I'm sure some of them are embellished) but the dogs he produces are still competing today..

 

They (the good ones) are smart dogs, and some are as game as any can be, I know of a story or two where they came back from the dead (no joke, the bitch was dead, flat line) came back to life and then went back to the hogg, and this came strait from the guy that had the other hound that lost the hogg hunt... FAXXXX...

 

Everyone is entitled to an opinion but this one is simply not true.