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Why or why not would you register with UKC ?

 

I used to support UKC with registrations and a show now and again.
But I no longer consider UKC a legitimate registry and will no longer register with it, solely for it's recognition of something called an "American Bully".
UKC is now a joke.

 

ADBA recognizes the American Bully too, but I hear your point. As far as im concerned the ADBA is a joke too. A few years back they sold part of their mailing list to hsus and a bunch of us got postcards in the mail offering $5,000 for info that would lead to dogfighting raids.


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I Did not know ADBA sold part of their mailing list to the Humane Society. Good Jefferson glad you said it. Going to find another way of registering my Dogs.

 

Anybody have any thoughts on bfkc?

Sincerely Yours, Cajun

 

I was thinking of going with that if any at all

Sincerely Yours, Cajun

 

At least UKC will admit 80+ lbs. dogs aren't standard and there for must not be "pure bred". ADBA are in denial.

 

I believe that to the ADBA are in denial.

 

They do? Can you refer me to something stating that?

 

Yea just look at all the bully type dogs with ADBA papers

Sincerely Yours, Cajun

 

Yeah, UKC just carves out a spot for the idiots that breed these way-out-of-standard dogs by honoring them with breed status. These people and their dogs should be shunned by UKC, not rewarded.

 

You can GET "bully" types by breeding selectively.
To the extent papers are hung, I think a registry needs evidence before it can do anything! Otherwise, who chooses which dogs are cross-bred and which ones are just really poorly bred dogs or dogs with chondrodysplasia?
The "judging" needs to take place in the conformation ring where these dogs are excused for lack of merit and through education programs where these idiot breeders are villified. No honoring with breed status!

 

But ADBA doesn't have a "breed" called "American Bully".... and at this point, that is a good thing.

 

Impo you can't judge a performance based dog in a confirmation ring

Sincerely Yours, Cajun

 

I am just going by how ADBA is set up now. It does have conformation shows, whether you and I agree with that or not.

 

And if its selectively bred to look like a bully type dog, its a bully bred dog. I don't know anybody that I'd get a dog off that breeds based on looks

Sincerely Yours, Cajun

 

Well, maybe ADBA should inspect EVERY dog at maturity before it registers it -- in person. Otherwise, they go by the process they DO have now and have no idea what the dog is going to look like at maturity. A registry is an honor-based system. The beauty is that WE get to decide about dogs we use and those we avoid, as you stated above. There are no perfect specimens of ANY breed and oddball purebreds pop up. We just have a bunch of idiots that BREED ON these defects and it's not hard to propagate them. They should be shunned for poor breeding practices of APBTs, yes. But don't make a spot for them in the registry like UKC did.

 

You shun them by telling them their shit is a Bully not an apbt,

Sincerely Yours, Cajun

 

I'm new to ADBA showing, but I can tell you that game bred type dogs are what mostly wins in the conformation ring. All good breeders can do is select properly and use dogs that were bred for the right reasons. Things change, if organizations go too far in the wrong direction, that's when people form their own thing for what they want, happens all the time. I think if people feel that way they should do something about it, and if you think conformation shows are a joke and no way to judge a dog then why would you care about them and what dogs are allowed or the registry? Just breed dogs the way you want them you don't need papers.

 

That's what I do. My only reason for arguing the point is that I feel that by calling these dogs "american bullies" or "bully bred" it represents more of what the dog is. By saying its just a poorly bred APBT your giving them more and more reason to blindly insist that they do have pit bulls and not just a half a shell of one. We had a thread going a week or so ago were we were talking about how a separate breed of dog could be created by breeding selectively for 20-30 years. Its just MO that it has already been done concerning the " bully type" dogs. Weather they paperhung some mastiff and English bulldog in there like most people think, or of they were pure bred and selectively bred like that. This is a performance breed and imo once you stop breeding for performance your trying to create a different breed for a different purpose.

Sincerely Yours, Cajun