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Springview's GR CH Jim

Discussion in 'SBT History' started by Vicki, Apr 9, 2010.

  1. Vicki

    Vicki Administrator Staff Member

    Springview's GR CH Jim

    Sire: Ch.RedJoe Dam: Guests Ginger

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    Jim is a Great Grand sire of Tyger and was a true representative of the old type working Stafford, deep game and said by his owner to be "one of the best ever to look thru' a collar". He was rolled as a youngster into "Dann's Irish Jack" a good trials dog from Ireland, Jim gave an impressive performance and so his first match followed just a month later which he won in 18 minutes.Two more wins gained Jim his championship,the second one lasting just 2 minutes. His fourth was against Ch.Sam, a 4x winner going for his Grand Championship with Jim losing to a foul* awarded by an inexperienced referee at the 1:05 mark. Jim was matched on a further two occasions winning both,the 1st in 1:37 and the 2nd going 29 minutes.*So is regarded by many as a Grand Champion.

    Source: Turnstyle Staffords
     
  2. Aarsbaard

    Aarsbaard Pup

    Springview's CH Jim

    Springview's Ch. Jim was out of Russel's Ch. Red Joe who was sired by Ch. Red Warrior, a Dublin bred dog from Bobby Watt's old stock. The Dam of Ch Jim was a bitch called Ginger, which was the result of a mating with the Red Warrior put to his half sister the Young Mandy of Dublin. Many of these matings were done by M. Dann, which was said to be way ahead than anyone with his breeding.

    The Jim dog was very young to start and was rolled with some good dogs always wanting more. His first roll was at the age of 12 months into a dog from Dann's stock called Irish Black Jack, a very game field dog well tested in both field and pit. A few weeks later he was matched at the age of 13 months against a dog called Bull.. The match was made at 40lb and Jim was worked in anyway he could, by bike, by walking, and by pulling logs, nearly killing him as the owners at the time was not too knowledgeable about keeps and rests, which would change as they later became known as one of the better conditioners in the UK.

    The Jim dog came in at 37lb and Bull was 42lb. At the let go, Bull came out and threw Jim all over the pit and at the 10 minute mark Bull had Jim down and was working the chest. Jim came back and proved that he also knew how to chew as he started working on Bull's nose. When asked to scratch at 18 minutes Bull quit making Jim a 1xw.

    Jim was rested for a few months before he was matched against a 1xw called Sam. The match was set at 38lb and Jim was 37 1/2lb while Sam came in on the spot. At the start it was fast with Sam on the head and Jim on the legs and chest. Both were biting hard and swapping it out and at the 10 minute mark, Jim was on the nose biting hard, Sam was trying to get to the chest , but fading fast he was picked up at 28 minutes making Jim a 2xw.

    Jim was then sold to some guys in Portsmouth as the owners moved over to APBT's and couldn't get a match for Jim in their own area. Jim's Championship match was set at 38lb, against Buzz, but this match was quickly over as Buzz turned straight away and stood the line in 2 minutes, making Jim a Champion.

    His 4th match was very controversial since it was claimed that he lost due to a fault and a bad referee. This match was against a 4x winner name Ch. Sam who was going for his Grand Championship. It was said that when it was Jim's turn to scratch and the referee said, " Release the dogs " both handlers did so. It seems like Sam's handler had accepted that Jim had made his scratch since he also released Sam, but then the weirdest thing happened, Sam started to spin around in his corner very fast chasing his tail when Jim shot across trying to mouth him without success and was counted out by the referee who awarded the match to Sam after 1 hour and 5 min and said that Jim didn't make the scratch.

    Later on Jim was matched into a dog called Ben who had won over a good dog in 1 hour. Jim won this match since Ben was unable to scratch at 1 hour and 37 minutes. A few months later Jim was matched into a EBT/Staff cross called Rocky, which quit standing on the line after 29 minutes making Jim a 5x winner. Many considered this dog a Gr.Ch. even though he lost to Gr. Ch. Sam due to a fault and a bad referee.

    Jim was retired to stud at the age of 7 and he was only bred to a few bitches. The Jim dog was a highly respected dog, highly praised even among the Stafford fancy of the continental Europe. There are still offspring from this well bred line around today, but don't expect to easily find them.

    Source: Staffordtribute site
     
  3. Thanks for posting always liked that Jim dog
     
  4. sunbeam

    sunbeam CH Dog

    iof he lost he was not a gr ch. both sides agreed to the ref and his decision is final.
     
  5. jt ellison

    jt ellison Big Dog

    Once again your wrong Joe was not a Champion nor was his sire both dogs won only one match and Joe lost his second match as for Jim how can you count a dog out chasing his opponent round the pit m once you release your dog you have accepted the other dogs scratch and its your dogs turn to scratch thats why its called scratch in turn , they should have handled the dogs with CH Sam to scratch but he wouldnt , the referee later told me it was his mistake , so Sunbeam he may not be a GRCH in your eyes but to anyone who understands dogs he IS !!
     
  6. sunbeam

    sunbeam CH Dog

    jt, i understand fine that you probably feel hard done by BUT i simply stated the fact that the rules are the rules, (jack kelly was forever having to point this out in the journal to disgruntled folks on the wrong end of bad decisions), at the end of the day if both sides had picked a more competant ref then the jim dog would have most likely been a grand champion. he is not the first to lose when a mile ahead or by a poor refs decision but as with football, the refs decision is final, its no good him changing his mind later, its too late. i am not wanting to get into an arguement as i would be not best pleased either if it happened to me.
     

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