Southern Kennels

OK, I am going to be a bit kinder and gentler thann SsDD, but though he is harsh, his short response needs to be examined. Here is the main problem you are going to have: This forum is pretty much 100% devoted to real fighting dogs. That is because, in essence, that is what the true pit bull always has been and if bred to traditional standards should be. The guys on this forum are focused upon, and though no one admits it (because they don't want to go to jail) was most likely at one time active in the game. I have never been (though I have had mt share of "yard accidents") but I am an historian of the breed and have owned a few.

Contrary to what you read in, say, Stratton books, if you get a dog true to this forum you are going to have a dog that you cannot do the stuff you want tp do with. You cannot go for runs in the park (even on leash) play fetch (unless in a 100% secure area) go swimming if there is even a remote chance of other animals around. I had a laid back son of Ch Crazy legs, but he was the exception. And even he killed a neighborhood dog (long story). In general these dogs are extremely high strung and require a ton of work and are, quite frankly, a HUGE PITA to own. The dog will be very affectionate....and then destroy your house while you are not looking. The dog will require constant supervision and extraordinary safety measures. It never stops. I am struggling with just the one pup I own. I had to work her on the flirt pole today, and I have to run her (at 10 PM tonight) just to get her to sleep in her cage throuout the night. Left lose in the house at 7 months she will still tear shit up. I have a pen for her in front of my TV and if I work her twice a day she will play with her ball in the pen for an hour, the only hour I really get to enjoy her. The rest is work.

 

Idk how I was harsh. He's completely wrong about the history of the breed. Just like for being a self expressed historian and expert you don't know much about them either.

 

You are consistent, my man.

 

I'm just being honest.

I'm no dogman, historian, genetics guru, master breeder, world renowned conditioner, great handler or any thing else but a douche with a few dogs. I know just enough about things to know I don't know much about any of them.

People can see through the bullshit everyone posts online. It isn't hard at all tell who's "faking the funk". No point in the braggadocious ego pumping. Looking back at everyone's old posts shows exactly what they know and don't. You're a historian with all these dope ass connections but bought a dog without realizing she was mostly Jeep and needed to be told about Jeep. That's not a historian. Hell you can't handle a puppy but are giving out advice on how to get and raise one.

Same advice as always you ain't learning if them lips are a bumping. Bet you'd be all upset if some 6'4" 145lbs soaking wet string bean told you how to diet, work out, and juice up to become Brian Shaw..... literally the same thing here.

 

Like I said, you are consistent, especially about the douche part, but hell, I have grown to like you. I do think we need to get you some pussy.

I most certainly don't know much about...well except for all the claims that he was overbred and over rated, are Jeep dogs. I never had an interest in them. I know Red Boy dogs have a reputation of being nut cases, most of the dogs I have owned have a good bit of Red boy if you go back far enough, but I did not know the reputation of Jeep dogs. This is the first time I have owned a Jeep dog. She is maybe 20% Red Boy. I would say she is about 60% Jeep. I never really studied up on Jeep dogs. But ironically, now I own one so it is time for me to learn.

Are you saying that Jeep dogs are as high strung as Red Boy dogs?

 

Lol thanks man. Can you educate me?

 

He can, just understand his people skills are not the best, LOL.

 

If getting pussy or not getting pussy controls a man to the point he won't be himself and call out bullshit he's a slave to women/his emotions and not a man.

Anyway. Idk I don't fuck with Jeep dogs. All the ones I was around were crossed with rb and rascal. They acted similarly but they were all related..... I also think it's case by case anyway. A whole litter can have different personalities. To try to pin point 1 pups attitude based off 50 years of everyone's breedings is about impossible.

But I'm not the historian.

 

I am curious because I never heard that rep about Jeep dogs. Of course I have not run across many Jeep dogs. I followed the Mayday, Yellow, Hollingsworth stuff very closely and of course there is no way to follow this breed and not run across Red Boy. My take on Jeep was always that he was overbred and considered by many to be over rated, but that was eons ago. Of course many said the same thing about Mayday, but Mayday has been more influential over the last 20 years.

I just have not run across many Jeep dogs, and was very surprised to find so much Jeep in my dog, of course that was 5 generations back. My breeder considered her more of a RB dog although the ped is clearly more Jeep. Then again as Che (and pretty much everyone) says/said, the dogs up front are more important.

 

Thanks for your reply and insight

 

You can get some good info from SSDD...but IMO, Slim is the Bible when it comes to this breed. Read everything he posts....3 times over. Search back over his old posts too. He is balanced and not argumentative, either.

 

Read this twice, especially about CHloe. I had a son of GR CH Haunch and back then I was stupid enough to take him to the park. At about 11 months he suddenly started up and I ran away from the park with him before the owner of the Rhodesian Ridgback he f'ed up could catch me.

 

I’m all good with a dog that wants to fight other dogs/animals. I am just totally against a man bitting dog or a dog that has such weak nerves that it will re direct onto its owner when it gets worked up. Those are my only 2 worries when it comes to finding a APBT. My dog was so perfect it makes it hard to find something like him. He hated other male dogs. He’s go crazy every time he saw one. But I always had him on a leash so he never got into a fight. He did however get along great with female dogs. Again, idk how close he was in temperament to a real APBT because he was a back yard bred dog with no pedigree. Thanks for all the into though. It’s helping out with making a decision. I almost wonder if I should look into amstaffs? The only thing I have against them is they aren’t real APBTs. I might have a bit of an ego

 

So you think if a dog will bite a human or excite bite it’s owner it has a weak constitution ?
Everyone wants alpha dogs until they do alpha shit smh

 

Lol - your statement here is so accurate. You could tell I’ve read his books

 

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I disagree. When you say alpha, there is a difference in a dog that has rank drive within its own species and a dog that has rank drive outside of its species. The APBT has low rank drive or dominance when talking about its relationships to humans. But they of course are very high in rank drive when it comes to its own species. This is another reason why I love the breed. You don’t typically have to worry about rank issues as far as humans are concerned. My dad on the other hand trains malinois, German shepherds, Dutch shepherds, Rottweilers etc. All of those dogs are rank driven not only within their own species but also with humans. I know very well what a highly rank driven dog is like to live with and it sucks. It’s not a pet dog. It’s not affectionate. It’s always trying to move up the rank ladder and if it senses any weakness, it will challenge you. And that can mean a bite. You always have to remind them of their place and it’s a real PITA! This is exactly why I’m not interested in shepherd dogs or dogs that are rank driven with humans. Because I would end up putting them down the first time it challenges me. Not the breed for me. I like the dog that has more tenacity than the gsd, and is tougher than a gsd and would whoop a gsd. But then it’s loving and loyal to its owner. Btw, a dog who redirects onto its owner has nothing at all to do with being alpha or dominate - it’s a dog who has extremely weak nerves. Those are the type of pitbulls I don’t want. The ones who kill kids. A weak nerved dog like that should never be bred in my opinion. I guess that’s where my disconnect comes from with some APBT breeders. They don’t focus on strong nerves. They’ll breed that dog if he wins. That’s kinda what I was getting at when I said the originators of breed didn’t seem to have those issues with the dogs in the beginning. They were called nanny dogs and they loved kids and were good around all people. You could grab them and touch them however you wanted and they wouldn’t bite a human. Because they had strong nerves. My opinion is that somewhere along the line, certain breeders would breed one of those weak nerved dogs you described and hence now you have pitbulls who kill kids for walking them down the road when the dog sees a squirrel. SMH. You could have a dog that has just as much drive and tenacity but has strong nerves, and it wouldn’t attack or kill its owner. This is where I think breeders need to learn how to clean up the breed. But, this is just my opinion. I understand some people are dog fighters and they only care if the dog can win fights. None of my business. I’m just looking for the APBT who has strong nerves along with everything else since I only want a pet to workout and be active with

 

Wow you really haven’t seen shit have you?
That novel you just wrote means absolutely nothing. All that shit sounds good right? Until you got one between your legs and they decide your holding them for to long. Maybe your taking a collar off and they decide there done waiting lol

you have no clue what your talking about buddy. I’m not the one to sit on here going back and forth with a mofo that has a predetermined notion based on zero knowledge.
Just start a thread about all the famous dogs that would bite, bite to be released, bite during work etc …all the ones this perfect mutt you want has in its pedigree.
I’m sure there’s plenty of folks on here that’ll indulge you. All those famous dogs everyone chases lol … nip, bite, fuck your life, it’s war

then again get a Chico dog. I’m sure he’ll be good for therapy