Over/underrated Producers

ONLINE PEDIGREES :: [432] :: FITZWATER'S GOLDIE (4XW)
behind lots of good dogs and producers , carvers miss spike ,stoctons ch big liz ,butcher boy pit general zeke to name a few

 

X 2 ...good call.

 

You know I was sitting back giving this thread a little thought. It was already touched on earlier about how some dogs may have been kept more private than others,hence less "fame and glory". And as well the length of stud careers. But one thing that got me wondering is the variance of opinion on any certain dog. As to say person A may see dogs down from dog1 that are crappy and person B may see dogs down from dog1 that are great. So you'd have two very different opinions about the same dog and both could be counted as correct. Idk I geuss it's like any other convo about these dogs at some point it turns into speculation and opinion if the people talking haven't all seen the same thing. Just a bit of rambling I geuss but that is one thing I thought of


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Back to back great posts from TDK & Cajun.. I agree everything does turn to preference which then leads to opinion and speculation. To answer some of what you were saying Cajun i think it goes to what those men are seeing, are they seeing the same dogs or different. I think some many people value 1 dog over the other that we lose way. like many will overlook the influence of the female all together, heck some didn't back then and a lot still don't even know if their female has any quality other than the ability to produce. Those who breed to a male and have a litter of junk will automatically blame the male even though their female might not have ever thrown anything worth a bowl of feed. I've seen studs and gyps leave yards after not producing nothing and get to another yard and have their value go through the roof off what they produce.

 

good points ,,that goldie dog fits into what your saying in some part ,he came from arizona with a bunch of dogs bought by the texans wen looked at showed cold and didnt come right til very late something unusual like 7 years old ,,you sure cant blame the ones who seen him previously thinking he was no good he also had a snapping head turning style that looks ugly,,the dog later proved his gameness and his producing abilty in top hands but was bred little compared to other studs of the time and as you allude to diffrent opions of same dog etc ,, you couldnt call them that gave up waiting before 7 years haters, its a fair call but think of the dogs the game would of missed out on without him ,,there would be no bolio dogs for example, not all good dogs are available to public stud and ive never seen any relationship to big numbers and quality myself ,, its about the breeding and the dog itself,, they knew the breeding was there with goldie but 7 years is a helluva wait for the dog to come along ,,, i guess theres a lot of patrick dog fans that are glad they did

 

Yeah now that would def fit into that type of category. That's how it can happen though, differing opinions formed from a different view. As you say some didn't and wouldn't have waited that long and some did, it turned out well so it plays out as a genius move!


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Zebo for underrated?

 

Womack's Mert, Harris' &:Heikkilla's Eli lll and Hyde's Bloody Sunday..... (some additional dogs to reinforce those already mentioned).

 

elias tel me(us) what you know of this dog .....

 

Under rated:
STP Nasty
RCC Gabe
Tuppers Hacksaw
CAK King Arthur
WCC Mavis
Kelly's Mojo
Bristols Thor
Patricks Homer 2
Holcombs Hap
PSC Courtney Love
Reynolds Old Blue
Farmers Missy
McCluneys Boy
Greenwoods Ms Holladay

 

I got one for you all. This breeder was dedicated and bred for Gameness ! http://www.apbt.online-pedigrees.com/modules.php?name=Pedigrees&file=printPedigree&dog_id=17691

 

CRABB'S RED MAN 1XW The ped link isnt working for me to go public.

 

Busenbarks Rattler was underrated. He wasn't bred that much but still produced both barnstormers and extreme dead game dogs.

 

Nice List...

 

..quality may differ in diff;.areas...for sure....getting back to thread..how do ya rate...tonka..red-baron...???..if not mentioned all-ready

 

Brilliant thread! Where would SCK Awesome Baby fit on the list? For a cold dog that was only bred three times her influence and that of her progeny still resounds

 

mmm..yep..rate a cold producer...good Q../??

 

every area has his champions and his pups of champoins