OHMIDOG! : Former Vick dog Gracie dies

Question, so if those deformities effect those Bulldogs athleticism, how would it not effect a game dog???? That's thevquestion and confusion.

 

G4G what deformities? His slightly bowed legs or the bullies completely deformed front end?
I guess you'd have to see the top dog in front of you to understand it fully. That dog might not clear as much ground as say a rangier dog in a full run or be able to jump as high as the rangier dog, but that doesn't mean its not an athletic dog in its own right or that it can't run or jump at all...
The bottom dog cannot do any of what I just said, at all. See how they differ even though one is not completely perfect to you?

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.out of certain lines,,to-day..have seen a lot more deformanites due to too much in-breeding..as compared to yesteryear..which we know is the time to put something fresh in..???..seen long dogs/short legs/etc(remind me off old badger trial dogs long+short)??.. i seen a-lot off it in is his hero's...tg..as said before i don't think thats tg's fault,,it's other peoples as when they get them they try and tighten on what they got..instead i would try adding new and get your own blend...???..don't have to be to new/etc...

 

Yes I see how they differ, and I see one is slight, the other is major. Add a 3rd dog to the equation that's perfect, would he by percent or logical thinking given the variances between the other to be a more able bodied athletic specimen whom could run faster or jump higher? And TDK man, I'm sorry. I guess its my version of deformity may vary from yours given the field in in "slight" is still considered deformed. Why? If it's not "normal" bone structure it is what? Deformed. That is text book medical. That's my confliction. It's not your lack of explaining or experience. But you have to understand, your going against everything I've known for 20yrs, that has been pounded in my head, that I've seen to be true in humans with my own two eyes. Those things make me one of the very best at my profession. Experience and understanding in my field is key just as its key to you in these Bulldogs. Your the best at what you do with these Bulldogs, I'm the best at what I do with humans. So there is the conflicting issue, our experiences clash in that aspect. I do respect you and doing my best to understand you. But it's like telling a bird not to fly, that's all he knows.

 

I very much agree with creating space in a animal bred as tight as TG breeds them. This Double bred croc pup for instance. He needs a out. Or atleast something from way back in his pedigree.

 

..maybe ya applying one way of thinking to two compleatly different things..in strange i do see some off what your trying to say...lets say we have two litter brothers acting the same way...one bowed a bit at the front ,curl tail/etc...his brother a great looking dog,,deep chest /beautiful size....both as good as the other...well ...which ya gonna go for to breed off,,,well so would most any-body,,...just that nothing is the norm in this game..when looking for gamedogs

 

Didn't you say "breed the breaks of them sounds like a peddlers statement"?????
Yet, you repeatedly keep talking about what TG does.

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signing out..wonder how far this gonna go 2-morrow....have good nite all...lol

 

I think Vick would be proud of Gracie 290 post on Game Dog in her memory.

 

correct, that is exactly what's taking place. One way of thinking on two different subjects causing misunderstanding. As much as I'm misunderstanding your logic with Bulldogs your probably not fully understanding mine as their two seperate logic in two seperate fields or whatever you choose to call it. So I agree.

 

There is no 3rd dog that is perfect in every way. That doesn't exist. Also these dogs job is not to run and jump lol and if they do no way in hell they get bred!

Its very naive of you to think that his dogs are bred as tight as he claims they are...

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Thanks for the explanation TDK. And Pookie, how is that naive? Paper hanging? What if the dogs in question of paper hanging is not in the first 3-4 generations of your ped? I mean, this croc pup is obviously tight. He's double bred. Why would I further inbreed at this point with him?

 

I wouldn't really put much into worrying about dogs that aren't in the first 4 gens, there could be a dalmation in the 5th gen and it honestly wouldn't really effect much if a the others were up to par. Jmo though.
That's up to you if you want to further inbreed or line breed or whatever. I am sure he is bred tight, but I doubt he is quite as tight as you think, but there really is no way to know seeing as neither one of us bred him or the dogs behind him

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He's pretty tight, of course I seen tighter. But he's far from a battle cross. lol. Look and see what you think.

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Doesn't look too tight to me. Its tight but not omg thats crazy tight lol.
Not really a dog I'd be interested in though, so idk that you'd care what I think lol

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Regardless of what we think or how we feel about each other that is a well bred dog n while not the tightest bred he is tight enough on that blood to call for an out to bring some diversity..just don't pull it back into the little gator stuff. That's my opinion for what it's worth..nothing.