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Garner's Redboy x Ginger Pups

Discussion in 'APBT Bloodlines' started by Newbie2016, Jul 23, 2016.

  1. treezpitz

    treezpitz CH Dog Staff Member

    And it seems to damn counter productive to pay HIGH DOLLAR for a pup that's "up close to an all time great". If people are actually breeding to IMPROVE their yard/dogs, then wouldn't it make sense to track down some good producing offspring from those 'greats' you're looking to find? In essence, they should be better than those 'greats' were. If people are actually breeding to improve their yards instead of PUPPY SALES.
    Fyrehound and bks like this.
  2. stinkrock

    stinkrock Top Dog

    I agree........
  3. slowstarter

    slowstarter Big Dog

    If you got 2000 for a pup just buy a grown bitch and pay a stud fee. Then you just went from zero to having a proven female and a litter off two proven parents..
  4. c_note

    c_note CH Dog

    Who sells grown, proven bitches that aren't old as hell?? I know folks that don't even let bitch PUPS go! That's the best plan, hard to execute tho if you don't know anybody. Anyone THINKING of paying Tom or anybody else 2k for a pup ain't met the right ppl!

    Wait.... I said I would NEVER pay 2k remember?? You said some pups could be worth 2k. If I got 2k saved, only 1k is available for dog purchases. That's pupS or a grown dog. I ain't spending that much on dogs any more. I got a couple decent ones and access to a couple more. I ain't "in there" but my high spending days are behind me
  5. Fyrehound

    Fyrehound Pup

    Private sales to people you know will do good by the dog. Good dogs are rarely advertised publicly...

    Definitely don't expect some random dude on the Internet to sell you a proven bitch. Especially if no one can vouch that the bitch is actually proven ;)
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  6. c_note

    c_note CH Dog

    Exactly. That was part of the underlying point. To NOT pay 2k for a pup
  7. 305APBT

    305APBT Big Dog

    i think the price of a dog should not have as much consideration as you guys are putting into this. Too many variables to get yourself all worked up what another person pays for whatever they choose. When you go to the grocery store and pick out your eggs there are several choices color, amount, organic or just the cheapest ones you can find. Do you get worked up if the fellow next to buys the $5.00/dz eggs? A dog my be a mans tool to his program and therefore he can justify spending up and or may Bing being more patient and waiting till something comes around better to his fitting. To answer Thunders question about Randall not being worried about the true breeding if papers weren't correct from Tom, I'm not saying this is or was the case. He was stating that Toms dogs go back to proven dogs so his chances of finding something that works for him down the road is highly.

    Let's say you want to move to Colorado and become a pot farmer. Now would you start with some bagseed and grow them out looking for the best as you go and hoping for killer shit? Or purchase seeds from a cannabis cup winner of multiple strains established in the game 30yrs of breeding the best to best etc and hit the ground running? Maybe it's worth it for you to pay up for those beans and skip the time needed to find that gem from a bag seed.

    Remember G4G or whatever had like 3 different titles here. Bought a dog from TG went ahead and gave him a 1W and started breeding him out??? You know who I'm talking about , that kinda shit is foul and not good for the breed. Still people buying from him then learning about it down the road. Every once is awhile you see someone on FB wanna kick his ass lol
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  8. 305APBT

    305APBT Big Dog

    My situation on buying from TG. I lurked this site for over a year with no account then signed up and made a purchase after being a member for a year I believe. I read that history section as much as Trees says amigo, that's a lot, what up amigo? Anyways I knew the feeling for TG here and still paid up and went to the Hill? Why the F would you do that? My thoughts were that he must be doing something right to get all these haters and some of it is just what it is. Pumping out litters, which he does... I showed up to the Hill the day after Xmas and was given the tour of the yard and shown every dog there and given some backround on their family etc. We spent nearly 2hrs talking dogs, life, everything at no time was there any hurry up its Christmas and the family is waiting buy a dog. He seemed like a straight up honest person whom had a true understanding of the breed. Where else can you look at over 100 dogs to choose that one that stands out to you for whatever reason.

    Another thing that most don't talk about is the housing for his animals and breeding program. I'm just taking a guess but I'm sure he has spent nearly $250K plus.
  9. Do you have anything off her
  10. MeanGene

    MeanGene Pup

    Did u like what u got? I'm thinking about making the drive up there myself.
  11. 305APBT

    305APBT Big Dog

    Very much so would/will go back.
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  12. old goat

    old goat CH Dog

    250 pups paid for that .
    oakgrove and promoe like this.
  13. CrazyHorse

    CrazyHorse Big Dog

    I was looking through some old Gazettes from the 80's and the average price for pups was $500. 30 years later the price shouldn't be $500 because of inflation. Minimum wage was $3.35 in 1987, in some states in 2017 it's triple and in California it's 5x!
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  14. MeanGene

    MeanGene Pup

    Let me know when u ready to go. Im in Pines I just moved down here and only brought 1 dog down with me so Im getting another.
  15. old goat

    old goat CH Dog

    Are you saying putting that many pups out a year is not peddling ?
  16. CrazyHorse

    CrazyHorse Big Dog

    I was simply making a point of people complaining about a $2,000 pup when with today's inflation and considering how the dog is bred the price is ballpark. Carver sold pups for $500 in the late 60's and early 70's. Putting that in perspective you could buy a 1969 L88 corvette for 6k and in 2017 a Z06 corvette is almost 100k!

    A lot of work, time, money went into making Redman a champion and it costs money to store semen. It only costs a little more to go first class!

    Old Goat if Garner wants to produce as many pups per year as he does that's his business. I haven't been to his site recently but he had a Gr Ch and a couple of Chs at stud. People are so caught up on being labeled a peddler if they sell pups/dogs, was Carver a peddler?
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  17. old goat

    old goat CH Dog

    But those GR CH and Ch's anyone with money can breed to . He doesn't care as long and the money is green . Yes inflation is there so only 150 pups paid for his yard . And it doesn't cost that much to store when your doing it on site . He didn't have anything to do with Red Man so he didn't lose any money there . And now that I went and seen it's $3500 a pup . Well it's not going to take to many to and a good yard .
  18. niko

    niko CH Dog

    A person that simply cannot be happy for another person's success. So rather than be happy they make a point of exposing a flaw in that person.

    Hating, the result of being a hater, is not exactly jealousy. The hater doesnt really want to be the person he or she hates, rather the hater wants to knock somelse down a notch.
    Susan: You know, Kevin from accounting is doing very well. He just bought a house in a very nice part of town.

    Jane (hater): If he is doing so well why does he drive that '89 Taurus?
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  19. CrazyHorse

    CrazyHorse Big Dog

    The key words you glossed over were Gr Ch and Chs! The dogs have accomplished something which speaks volumes because I see pups advertised and 90% aren't off Gr Chs and Chs. Does it matter that anybody with money can get pups off the accomplished studs and females? are you trying discount the buyers or Garner the seller?

    Does it matter how many pups it takes to pay for his yard? Who cares? The semen had to be bought and you basically pay for the accomplishments of Ch Redman and the dogs that made up Redman. Garner bought it, keyword is BOUGHT so that means it cost money! If Garner sells pups off Redman semen for $3500 why does it matter? The price is all relative in 2017 not 1987!

    A couple of things I've noticed about Garner's haters is just about all of them are flat dick broke!
    Box Bulldog and niko like this.
  20. old goat

    old goat CH Dog

    lol Never once did i think about buying a Garner dog . But i think i know who has . He's selling breeding to people that have no business with the dogs . Simple as that .
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