Gameness in you?

? How many of you believe that with all things being equal how much of your one sameness do you put in your dog? How much does the owner handler have to do with bringing the most out of your bulldog.

 

Good post slim . i agree
I do think a person whos game themselves or comcompete in combat/contact sports can have a better eye for spotting a dog whos game

 

I agree. If you can tell when a person will quit, you can most times see it in a dog

 

I think if your dog show intrest in what you want him to do a strong bond and relationship goes along way. In my experience with my pitbulls is we feed of each other the more I pump him up the harder he goes it's like a connection we have.

 

Slim is right. I was referring to the look of wantin to stop. Only in a military situation would I suggest staying til the death. I'll protect my life and my families lives to the death, but when the other guy hits the ground I'm leavin! Dead or not, I have a family to get back to!! That alone is reason to leave. If it's you or me, it's gotta be you! Again, I have a family to go home to!! The dogs usually do it for their handlers first, then their lives. Only so much "get em boy" is gone do when he gettin his ass handed to him and he can't do shit to stop it. That's when you find out how game he is for fightin and how game you are to let him fight. Fine line between game and dead game.

 

In my opinion I agree with Slim also.However I will say this as I'm living proof. I believe in hand walking. I myself have gotten myself and the hound I'm conditioning up 20 miles a day. 10 in the am, 10 in the pm. Along with spring pole, flirt pole work, weight pulling, wind sprints ect. I have gotten into top shape myself during a keep. Also this increase' Bonding time . Along with plenty of rest, the right nutrition, I know that my hound is ready to hunt. As well as myself too if nessary. And Yes I have been there ,

 

Agree..I also hand walk and run etc. My pup is only 5 months but I have already gotten him used to exercising with me.

 

I agree with this.I know a man and he lives down the road , his first night in Nam he was sent out kn ambush patrol.They ambushed the enemy and both platoons ran out of ammo and it went hand to hand..Him and one other American was the only 2 survivors..Lol first night !

 

People die in combat sports. And some guys have to be saved lest they prob die in the ring or get seriously injured
Not disagreeing with yall just saying.
Ive seen my share boxers cur out in sparring. Ask around noboddys coming to save you in a Philly gym

 

Yes it's not just in Philly. That's every where. Let's hope there is a referee and a corner man that cares about your life. Yes people like Ali, refused to go down or quit, when he was beaten up bad when he fought Larry Homes. "Gameness". An instinct within himself not to go down. Even several times Larry drops his hands looking at the referee like, stop this beating.

 

In this sport I think it comes down to A ton of common sense, then develop A solid relationship with your charge, knowing EVERYTHING about them as far as weight, peaking at the right time, and of coarse knowing HOW to handle physicaly and mentaly! If it was still legal today I know I could get one in optimal shape, but because of my age and injuries I would never handle! Bobby Hall and Jim S. were probably A couple of the best I've seen! Being A great handler is like being A great Jockey, the relation ship between the two! I'm sure there are more but this was all before 1976!
And theres one other thing read the thread "The Dog That Was Trained to Scratch" TRUE STORY!!!

 

The hanlder has to be game in every aspect the moment he starts second guessing his decision the dog can sense it as long as the handler is confident the dog will continue to give you everything it has the moment you start giving up on your dog it starts wondering why your giving up on it and never let someone else handle I don't care who it is the dog works best with who ever does the keep because during the keep you build one hell of a bond with each other

 

These dogs are in a class all to themselves. 99% of humans would be running home to mommy if asked to do what the apbt did/does. I think we all have a little "pit bull" inside of us but let's not kid ourselves, to suggest anything more is an insult to the pit dog.

 

I've been underestimated my whole life because of my size but I can tell you now I'm 100% game because I was to scared to cur out on anything because curs got shot around my house I fought mma for three years at different weights just to prove I'm game maybe I just knew whatever happened was better than what would happen if my old man found out I curred

 

I honestly believe Mr.gray would've shot me if I was a curr

 

all good reads...

I would say the answer depends on the person and what they have witnessed or believe other wise,,,
there are many forms of gameness depending on the persons eye or experiences...

I agree with Slim that there is zero a human can do to add gameness besides using the best judgement,,,
but only agree to this statement with the dogs that are 100% game regardless of the circumstances...

I think there is alot of variables as mentioned as when the bucket has been taking to the well too may times,,,
but there are a rare few that are 100% game all the time no matter what...

I think the master/handler has alot to do with the total oppisite end of the spectrum dogs,,,
the type that bond and the main reason dogs evolved from wolves...

Sure they might be curs to the hardcore dogman but scratch all night for a compassionate confidant handler,,,
sure the right person can get a last scratch out of a good bond developed in a keep,,,
and yes cnote dont eat your words,,,
your damn right alot of bulldogs will quit with there owners!!!

I understand the hardcore dogger logic of they are what they are,,,
but I also seen that small brew batch that run in a pack and got gr ch and chs out of it...

If you havnt seen a dog wake up from death and scratch to a voice that would have just slept,,,
I wouldnt go on a limb and say a competent dog man that understands this only brings out the best of these dogs,,,
but I also believe some dogs could give a fuck less about anything you do...

there is a wide range in between those two types of people and an assortment of different style dogs to go with it,,,
if they could just be placed together with the right style all will succeed...

I would say the hardcore doggers dogs are harder in every sense,,,
but I would not rule out the opposition of mans best friend out performing them...

LC,,, I agree the amount of gameness in most humans is rare and usually when the adrenaline crashes they cur...
plus there are no strains of humans bred for gameness...

alright maybe a rare few,,,lol...

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