Famous Inbred Dogs

Agreed but nothing should be common practice with common dogs. That rule isn't just for inbred bogs. Only the best of animals should be used as a rule. If you outcross two average dogs you're going to get more average dogs as well. To tell you the truth you'll have more success line breeding common dogs than out crossing them.

 

The biggest misconseption I see it that EVERY one wants to breed the product.... This is flawed logic... Not every good dog Produced should thus be bred back on.... The producers are the ones that should be bred, some dogs are workers some dogs are breeders.... Just because you have a 5way cross dog that can hunt and hunt good, don't mean you have to breed him.... Nor the inbred dog that's a freak, you don't HAVE to breed him either....

 

lol very true, i meant that they are all-time great dogs. I totally agree with your post

 

What about starting a family of your own why not start with a fairly open gene pool by scatter breeding on tested dogs

Im thinking that it would give you more of a blank page to work with

But if you wanna just carry on someone elses(or your own) work use heavy inbreeding

Linebreeding to me is just a lighter form of inbreeding

 

It's not just about inbreeding or linebreeding, its more about inbreeding on the right dog and linebreeding on the right litters..

 

your right i have seen it both ways like that also, so many people think its all up to the stud dog i disagree !

 

Yeah, it makes me laugh when someone breeds their bitch to some really good dog and they get a bunch of curs. Then they are mad and say man that dog don't throw shit:mad: Maybe it was because your dog don't throw shit!

 

all the dogs jack put up are line bred, not inbred....

 

theres no science , how do you know if the dog can produce if u dont breed them ... the thing is breed them work them cull them , them go from there .. ill breed a four way cross or a inbred dog , that earns the right to be bred ..

 

Here is Jack's response to you:

Inbreeding is (1) brother/sister, (2) father/daughter, (3) mother/son, (4) uncle/niece, (5) aunt/nephew, (6) half-brother/sister, (7) cousin-cousin.

 

imo line breeding would be a dog repeating no closer than the 2nd generation
i would rather it be in the 3rd or fourth myself

my thing is are you gonna breed every dog you have to see if it can produce?
everyone says a dog must earn its right, well a performance anima must earn its right by performing
9/10 dogs that cant perform cant produce
even if its ability is low the dog needs to be game if you wanna produce game dogs

 

It's all a percentages game...

People tend to make this either too simple or too complex.

You want to breed to dogs from GOOD LITTERS.

A few examples:

A single GrCh out of a litter of curs, is going to throw mostly curs.

A single GrCh Stud out of a litter of average dogs, is going to throw mostly average dogs.

The Average dog out of a litter of 2 Ch and a GrCh, will out produce all of the above. ESPECIALLY if he is line bred down from above average litters...

 

I think of the finest representations of a well bred inbred linebred dog would be Tudor's Dibo, our godfather of the current American gamebred dogs. Look at how old dogs become new and selectively the breedings were done of the foundation dogs of his time. I think is one of the best examples of a inbred dog without being over the top where you loose abilities in producing or performance. He is the backbone to the dogs we own today, no matter if you are running redboy or eli or bolio, this dog is in your dogs pedigree. I think the only ones that don't have them is OFRN and those are not working dogs by my standard. You see littermate brothers, outcrosses, linebreeding, inbred on selective performance animals. I think another good amount of animals that show this same type of breeding style with inbreds and linebreds the Queen, Jeep, Redboy, Chinaman and more. These are producing animals that could perform with the best alive in their respectful times. By using these type of breeding patterns greatness to be accomplished, yes there is super inbred exceptions to the rule but for the most part many of our yesteryears foundation dogs were inbred linebred pedigrees of foundation dogs whether they had curs or pit greats in their pedigrees, it had an intended purpose I think. But don't give to much credit to dogmen, most dogmen greatness is nothing but pure luck and not much skill but if you follow the receipes that are available to us you can see how a performance dog should be bred.

 

ONLINE PEDIGREES :: [9] :: TUDOR'S DIBO (3XW)

How many times does Corvin's Gimp & Shorty show up in Dibo's ped? What lineage is Gimp and Shorty from?

Your bolded/underlined statement is ludicrous. I'll leave it at that. You don't get one without the other.

 

Nice post whydid

And your right you wont catch eli in a true inbred/linebred ofrn

 

Ithink he ment that you wont catch dibo in the peds of ofrn's

 

i agree,very well said

 

you won't catch a lot of different dogs in tight family bred dogs.

call FB and ask him what his favorite cross of all times is. you might be surprised.

 

"I think the only ones that don't have them is OFRN and those are not working dogs by my standard."

I'm sure there are a few members here that would strongly disagree with this statement.

 

i can think of a couple in particular that might fire right up after reading that.
he did say by his standard tho:rolleyes: