Where Does Merle and Black and Tan Come From

LMAO as you put it. And do you know much about the breed? The Catahoula is not known for it's outgoing & friendly personality. They tend to be one person/family dogs & are HIGHLY protective over their property (or whatever they deem as "theirs"). The tend to be very leary of new people & hate strangers.

So how on Earth does combing that kind of temperament with a "pit bull" temperament help this breed in the public eye when you know the resulting offspring are gonna be labeled as "pit bulls"?

I know individual dogs have individual temperaments. But the Catahoula Leopard Dog is a dog that I have also grown up with & have a lot of experience with & I'm giving you the general termperament. They make great guard dogs & protectors & are everything a "pit bull" should't be.

On a side note: I really like Catahoulas--for the dogs they are. We hunt with them & we also hunt with Catahoula Bulldogs (Catahoula/Am. Bull cross....basically all your merle "pit bulls" ) & they are great working dogs. But they are ONLY for experienced dog owners as they are a handful.

 

I was calling her just a merle and would tell people she is grey,black and white. But from a previous post i guess she would be concidered a blue merle. It was only recently i was able to catch her breeder in a lie couple months ago). He told me before i purchased her she was absolutely full blooded pitbull. This was before i new about the whole Catahoula thing, i thought she was just a neat color. Once i learned more about it, I gave him a call and asked him about it and he continued to lie. Once i threatened him with his breeders liscense, he gave in. He admitted to me that in her 5th gen, the female was dual bred with a Catahoula. They were competing their dogs then in hunting competitions and wanted to make a better catch dog out of the lines they were using. So i guess you could say she is 95% pitbull and 5% Catahouls. Thats what i tell people...lol or as my daughter would say - she'a a Cata-Pit...lol

 

here is a pic of my girl cali, since i have learned about the merle i would say she is mostly pit and a little bit cat. dog, i hope the pics work.

 

Yea that black n tan dont look right. it looks like a rott or dobie

 

some more pics

 

I would say that black and tan even though it doesnt look right, its is pure becasue the sorrells bloodline has it and diane jessup just bought one. I dont think she would get it if she didnt think it was pure.

 

you may find this interesting from the book fighting sports..

bridget in the early england times was most the most terrible fighting dog that lived.. it was said that he could never breed from bidget. she had several litters of pups from good dogs but after a day or two she would chop them up and eat them now comes the irony of fate she had one litter by mistake by a little black and tan dog and these were the only pups she never ate.As they were bridget's pups in spite of the cur blood billy the owner bred from them and some people say that this is how the black & tan colour came into the breed...

 

Well the Black and Tan genetic is a true bulldog color, no mixing involved, . It comes from the original stock. There are many articles about the color, check this one out:

An explanation of the tan-point pattern sometimes seen in the American Pit Bull Terrier

by Ed & Chris Faron​

[font=arial, Arial, Helvetica][/font][font=arial, Arial, Helvetica]The tan point pattern is caused by a recessive gene on the Agouti series gene locus, the following are the alleles (variations) that are definitely known to occur in the American Pit Bull Terrier. There are also a couple of other genes on this same locus, but they are most likely not present in this breed, so we will ignore them in this article to try and keep things simple.

[/font][font=arial, Arial, Helvetica]A 14 week old black & tan APBT puppy. Though unusual-looking, this pattern is a perfectly natural coloration for a Pit Bull.[/font][font=arial, Arial, Helvetica]

[/font]Agouti locus alleles present in the APBT[font=arial, Arial, Helvetica]A[/font][font=arial, Arial, Helvetica]Dominant Black: produces a solid color (ie.black, chocolate or blue) *see note below[/font][font=arial, Arial, Helvetica]ay[/font][font=arial, Arial, Helvetica]Dominant Yellow - Produces reds and buckskins[/font][font=arial, Arial, Helvetica]at[/font][font=arial, Arial, Helvetica]Tan-Point (recessive)- produces solid color with tan 'points'[/font][font=arial, Arial, Helvetica]​

*Note: There is strong evidence to suggest that there are either two separate genes causing a solid black coat, or possibly even just one gene that is NOT on the agouti locus, but that is a whole different matter we'll save for another article. If black is in fact not an agouti locus gene then Dominant Yellow should be expressed as Ay instead of ay.

A dog needs to inherit two copies of the tan-point gene to be a black & tan. If a pup inherits one copy of the tan-point gene and one copy of the dominant yellow gene, which causes a red or buckskin coloration, then the dog will be red or buckskin, not black and tan. If the dog inherits one copy of the tan-point gene and one of the dominant black gene, the result will be a solid black dog. Because of the recessive nature of the tan-point gene, it can actually remain hidden in the gene pool for many generations without expressing itself. In the case of our breed (where this is not a common color) this is what often happens, but it is important to realize that when the tan-point pattern does pop up it is not some new color mutation that appeared out of nowhere, but rather the manifestation of a gene that has been present in this breed all throughout the known history of the American Pit Bull Terrier. Though it is impossible to say for sure where the coloration originated, our best guess would be that it came from some sort of terrier blood that was introduced many, many years ago, probably during the early formation of the breed in the British Isles.

Actually, part of the reason the color is uncommon is that there has been a distinct prejudice against it by many people, either because they feel it is not a typical Pit Bull color, or even actually thought it was the result of a mixed breeding. The latter reason shows an ignorance of basic genetic principles, because the gene is recessive, there is no way you could breed a Rottweiler or a Doberman or Manchester Terrier to a Pit Bull and get puppies with the tan-point markings unless the Pit Bull was carrying the tan-point gene too. If in fact the black and tan color was not present in the APBT gene pool, you would have to breed to a dog of another tan-point breed, and then breed two offspring from such a breeding back together to get black & tan dogs, in the first generation you would get no tan-pointed offspring.

The tan point gene does not actually create a black & tan animal, the gene itself does not produce any color but rather a pattern of a solid color with light-colored 'points'. These 'points' always appear in specific places but the actual size and distribution of them is somewhat variable. The exact coloration that is produced by the tan-point gene is dependant on the color genes present at other loci, for instance if the pigmentation is black, the result will be a black & tan, but if the dog's pigmentation is chocolate or blue then the pattern would produce a chocolate & tan or a blue & tan, respectively. A few of the possible tan-point variations seen include the following:

[/font][font=arial, Arial, Helvetica][/font][font=arial, Arial, Helvetica]Black & Tan A classic black & tan. This particular dog also has white markings -- the black, tan & white combination is also known as 'tricolor'. [/font][font=arial, Arial, Helvetica]
[/font][font=arial, Arial, Helvetica][/font][font=arial, Arial, Helvetica]Black & Buckskin When combined with buckskin instead of red, the pattern creates a pattern of much lighter points; with extremely pale buckskins the coloration might even be mistaken for black & white at first glance.

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White markings are caused by an entirely different set of genes, and appear the same way on a tan-point dog as they would on any other color, if present -- a tan-point dog may even be spotted, in which case the spots would be two different colors depending on whether the spots were over areas where the tan-point pattern was present. Brindling, if the dog is a brindle, will only be seen in the tan points, in fact if the tan-point dog is very heavily brindled then the brindled areas may make the dog appear to be a solid color instead of a tan-point.

Another interesting thing to keep in mind is that the dominant yellow gene does not always mask the tan-point gene entirely; this is known as 'incomplete dominance'. With incomplete dominance, a buckskin or red dog that is carrying the tan-point gene will have the tan-point pattern visible in the form of a pattern of black (or chocolate, or blue) hairs mixed into the coat in the places a tan-point dog would have been solid colored. This is referred to as 'sabling' in most breeds. Here are a couple of examples of sabled APBTs:

[/font][font=arial, Arial, Helvetica][/font][font=arial, Arial, Helvetica]A reddish-buckskin bitch with black sabling. The amount of sabling seen varies from dog to dog, in this case it is quite pronounced, resulting in a mask pattern on the face, etc.[/font]
[font=arial, Arial, Helvetica][/font][font=arial, Arial, Helvetica]A red bitch with blue sabling. This is an interesting combination because by carrying both the tan-point and blue genes (both rare) this bitch if bred to a male with the same make-up could possibly produce blue & tan offspring, a color (to the best of our knowledge) previously unheard of in the breed. (The puppy in partial view on the right is a black-sabled red)[/font]
[font=arial, Arial, Helvetica][/font][font=arial, Arial, Helvetica]A brindle bitch with black sabling -- the sabling is less noticeable because of the stripes (and also the black mask this bitch has) but the pattern can still be seen, especially in the face area -- note the 'points' over each eye.[/font]
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While the gene is fairly rare it is probably a lot more common than most people would think. Whether you find the tan-point pattern interesting and appealing, or think it makes a dog look like a "mutt", the fact is it has been a part of our breed for probably well over a century, and will continue to exist.

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