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Stp on Pat Patrick

Discussion in 'APBT History' started by kayo45, Dec 19, 2010.

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  1. FrankDublin

    FrankDublin CH Dog

    Best post ive read on the topic sofar
     
    FrankDublin, Dec 20, 2010
    #41
  2. preme

    preme CH Dog

    stp had more dogs then buck and would have been just as fine ..
     
    preme, Dec 20, 2010
    #42
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  3. chainbrakr

    chainbrakr Pup

    I never said they wouldn't have stp has a fuckin army an buck was just one of the soldiers
     
    chainbrakr, Dec 20, 2010
    #43
  4. Dream Pits

    Dream Pits CH Dog

    they had more good dogs than i can name but lets play a game called someone name one of them that was better than buck, dont worry i'll wait... lol
     
    Dream Pits, Dec 21, 2010
    #44
  5. FrankDublin

    FrankDublin CH Dog

    Im gonna say this pat had to be putting out good dogs around the time buck was purchased at a higher percentage compared to the time he recorded the video

    The reason I say this is because stp is a betting man
    And if he is gonna a pup he just might aquire the whole litter

    And have a better understanding of the percentages than a person t may only buy one or two pups
     
    FrankDublin, Dec 21, 2010
    #45
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  6. chainbrakr

    chainbrakr Pup

    Stp stated that buck was not his best just hard to beat
     
    chainbrakr, Dec 21, 2010
    #46
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  7. NorthernOutlaw

    NorthernOutlaw Big Dog

    STP matched dogs. They were one of the most successful of all time. Pat Patrick was a breeder of match dogs. He bred some of the best match dogs. You guys are reading to much into this. He was simply saying he wouldn't buy a match dog from Pat Patrick these day as the percentages went down. STP didn't care much about how a dog was bred. They were only interested in winning. I know of a Champion they had that they never bred. They weren't breeders. They sold GrCh Lukane and many others after they won their titles.
     
    NorthernOutlaw, Dec 21, 2010
    #47
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  8. skinny

    skinny Pup

    Does anybody have info or pix's of STP's CH Sleepy
     
    skinny, Dec 22, 2010
    #48
  9. benthere

    benthere CH Dog Staff Member

    This argument is why I like horseracing better than the bulldog game. At least in horse racing people awknowledge that a lot of people contribute to the success of a good animal. You have the breeder, the consigner, the owner, the trainer, the groom and the jockey. They all work together as a team and when the horse wins they all share in the victory. They don't start arguing about how it was only because of the jockey that the horse won, or that the breeder was the reason. Why is it that most people involved in bulldogs are completely incapable of sharing success? Breeders are absolutely necessary and so are conditioners and handlers. Some are good at one, some at the other. Very few are good at both. In an ideal world the breeders and handlers would work together as a team. But, in reality when a good dog shows up everyone gets greedy and wants to take all the credit for themselves. One should always be able to give credit where credit is due. An old timer once told me "The good ones make you look good". And that is the truth for both breeders and conditioners. In the end all credit should go to the dogs themselves as they are doing all the hard work.
     
    benthere, Dec 22, 2010
    #49
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  10. GemCityPits

    GemCityPits Big Dog

    Great post! all truth...
     
    GemCityPits, Dec 22, 2010
    #50
  11. slim1972

    slim1972 Big Dog


    DITTO:) Totally, agree...
     
    slim1972, Dec 22, 2010
    #51
  12. old time dogman

    old time dogman Big Dog

    Well I bought Buck from a Doctor on LI when he was 12 mts old Schooled him and matched him 3 time before we sold him to STP . The papers I got at the time I bought him were not the same as are hung on him now . And that is the way it happend Papers on buck were changed after he wone his 4th .............. :confused:
     
    old time dogman, Dec 22, 2010
    #52
  13. preme

    preme CH Dog

    Thanks for info otd:)
     
    preme, Dec 22, 2010
    #53
  14. preme

    preme CH Dog

    They changed the sirer right
     
    preme, Dec 22, 2010
    #54
  15. preme

    preme CH Dog

    preme, Dec 22, 2010
    #55
  16. DOGMANUP

    DOGMANUP Pup

    i lived 40 min from patrick, and we didnt want nothing he had. for 1 reason hes never matched a dog and is famous for hangin papers on them, if you went to his yard he wanted a 100 dollars to come look and if you bought somthin then he would apply to the purchase if not he kept for a looking fee
     
    DOGMANUP, Dec 24, 2010
    #56
  17. redrumdog

    redrumdog Top Dog

    STP was just giving his opinion on buying a match dog.Considering how many STP won. Good advise,but that is his opinion,not a fact . With that said I would listen to him though.What he is saying about percentages is true. Patrick bred some good ones but he also bred a lot of dogs.Thats how he made his money.But talking about Buck he was a pet like OT said until he bought him.Goes to show people a gooddog in the wrong hands doesn't amount to nothing but give that same dog to a good dogman and look what they do with them.
     
    redrumdog, Dec 24, 2010
    #57
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  18. The Saint

    The Saint Big Dog

    OTD, can you post the original ped on Buck, I'm sure I am not the only one curious to know how he was truely bred? That said, if his ped changed after the 4th then I'd have to assume that STP changed it? The obvious question is then "why would he do that?"
     
    The Saint, Dec 26, 2010
    #58
  19. Robber

    Robber Big Dog

    The first one preme posted is the "original", the second one he posted is what it was later changed to. The second one would seem to make heavier Bolio dogs more marketable...
     
    Robber, Dec 26, 2010
    #59
  20. old time dogman

    old time dogman Big Dog

    The Middle ped is the papers That came with buck when I and Alan bought him from the Doctor . Pat changed the papers And the ADBA allowed him to do this ? If look at that Ped He is heavy Maloneys TOOT .
     
    old time dogman, Dec 27, 2010
    #60
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