Some of the best guard dog????

Doberman Pinscher! Doberman Pinscher! Doberman Pinscher! These dogs are fast, agile, lean, tall, intimidating, and are usually very quiet. They can be very surreptitious in attacking. I know from experience they are very easy to train, they thrive on learning. This is one dog that was specifically designed for protection and guarding purposes. They are made to go up against people and not other animals. I know one difference between attack method of dobermans and bullys is they do not latch on. They bite over and over as fast as they can to inflict the maximum damage possible, basically mauling their victim to death. Mastiff, presas, and bull like dogs can have nasty attacks if they get the right place because they lock on. But wolfs and dogs with long snouts can bite the shit out of you and cause more stitches then you can count to. They basically eat you! And you have to realize that not even an olympic 100 meter champion can outrun a doberman. Any dog already pointed out would get the job done though.

 

some of the best dogs I trained for area guard work were mutts out of the pound,,sometimes any dog has the right attitude for the job,,,I just trained up a rottie for guard work at this guys house in Detroit,,,this paticular dog as a real attitude,,,rotties usually do,,, , but do awesome with area guard work,,this guy has no little kids so no worries,,,you just need something thats level headed.

 

Not again...

5 percent of all rottweilers in the WORLD have the true capability and mindset to protect their owner when a situation arises. This comes from a top reowned rottweiler trainer.

They do, however, make excellent deterants.

 

I agree DOBERMAN PINSCHER! lol Not only because I own two but because that's what they were bred for, guarding.

I good one doesnt need any type of training to do its job.

This is my male Terminator....he is a sweetheart with his family and welcomed guests, but I wouldnt enter the yard without an escort if he doesnt know you.



Here's Terminator again...

 

This is one of Terminator's sons at 2 years old. He belongs to a single woman that lives in the city. He goes with her everywhere....He is neutered but is still very protective.

 

Lets be clear... dobermans are not the great breed they once were in this field. True by definition and by history they are ideal but there has been a lot of change in the breed, particularly in the american bred ones. Personally I blame the action movies of the 70s, 80s, and 90s for sensationalizing the guarding and agressive tendencies of the breed. But at any rate they were pumped out in HUGE quantities with no regard for temperment, health, or mental stability and now they are VERY hard to find the proper temperment in that breed.
Its a shame because ideally they are an excellent choice, they are a very intelligent breed of dog that has a keen sense of things. Though honestly they lack in build to be a man stopper alone, they are much better if you have a few of them. they are so light and thin boned a good sized man could take the dog.
personally I like to see at least 100 pounds of dog between my family and a threat. Breeds that have high pain tolerance (fighting breeds) are all the better.

incidentally, american bulldogs can be really good, if you find the right temperment on them. whoever mentioned them good call.

 

The best guard dog/manstopper is the Malinois.

 

German Sheppard & Doberman's & Rottie's.....

 

No.
Malinois are phenominal dogs and a police dog, protection dog, there are few that could be better. They are fast, agile, and have a tough as nails temperement... but agin they are just too small to be considered a man-stopper. A manstopper is a dog that can do just that, stop a man. Size is absolutely a factor in that area and no matter how tough and hard a Malinois is they are too small. Sure they are enough dog to stop a lot of men, but you have to think along extremes. Do you think a Malinois can stop a coked-out 300 pound linebacker? now same question but in its place but a 175 pound Fila or a Neo.

I have nothing bad to say about the Mal, again in the right applications they rank as some of the best dogs out there, but not as a man-stopper.

 

I wouldnt seriously look at any one of these, while I agree that they can be good at the work, the problem is they are hard to find quality specimens, Rotties are stubborn and hard to train, and GSDs are lackluster depending on the line you look at, a lot of working ability has been bred out of them as well.

All 3 good dogs in their own right, but you would have much better luck with other breeds of dog.

 

Great posts, Diesel. You really know your stuff.

 

A guard dog doesn't necessarily equal a protection dog. In fact, "guarding" & "protecting" can be very opposite activities.

And the truth is, a good PP dog is where you find it. They are not the norm in any breed due to bybs & overbreeding, but any of the breeds mentioned have dogs that can & do excel in protection work.

 

I was raised with Dobermans So I am a little bias. The thing I like about Dobermans are that they are family dogs. My two love children and get along well with other dogs. As with many breeds, the Doberman has been "watered" down as far as temperament but its not impossible to find a kennel/breeder still with working dogs. Also just the "stigma" attached to Dobermans will deter many people.

If I had to choose another dog for a "guard" it would be a good bred German shepherd. Not a show line dog but one from a working pedigree.

As for a PP dog I've seen some Bouviers that kick @ss and Belgian Malnois are abother good choice.

 

I will disagree with most of what you've written. We own and do protection training with Malinois, Filas, Ban Dogs, and ABD's and the Malinois is by far the most effective at stopping a man. We have guys here that are 240, 260, and 300 lbs and the Malinois take them out HARD. Wearing the bite suits and baton in hand, the Mals know EXACTLY where to bite which is every vital area on the human body and they work it the way a APBT works a hog! The Mals bite the groin area the arm pit, neck/throat and face, basically everywhere there is an artery. A 300lb coked up perp would go into shock before he could get the dog off of him due to loss of blood and shock. Now a well trained Fila of course can get it done faster due to the size so I'll give you that. We have some phenomenal manstopper Filas here, but I will disagree with you on the Neos. We used to breed and keep them and there were a few very man aggressive dogs that would hit a person, but they would ALWAYS gas out or cur out after the initial burst of aggression. No staying power. A person, especially a 300lb coked up perp could withstand the initial onslaught and then the dog will gas. I've seen that plenty of times.
The Malinois is smarter, has more intensity and stamina, and is more consistent in his attack and a 65-70lb dog can stop a 300lb junkie despite what you think. I am a big Fila fan and I agree they can get it done quicker because of the size difference, but for consistency within the breed for the purposes mentioned I'd go with the Mals first, Filas second, and a good APBT/Fila Bandog.

 

I never owned a Dobie who weighed less then 93#. The male below weighed 129# and was 31 inches at the shoulder. Poor pic but the only one I can find at the moment.

 

great post.

 

get a smith and wesson!!!! to protect your pits....Jk

 

I would either go with a Cane Corso or Rotti... If money is not an issue those two would be best in my opinion... Cane Corso's are not so easy to find, but you may be able to find a reputable kennel from someone on here...

Caucassions (sp) are bad ass dogs and are very territorial.. You have to be on dominate mutha to handle those dogs... They are not to easy to find here in america though...

Good luck...

 

Phebes- dobies should max at about 90 pounds anything over that and people like to attach "warlock, king, giant, etc" type names to them. They are a medium sized breed. my female was 50 pounds and by far the best guard dog i ever had as far as temperment for the job. You did not want to see her and not see me... thats a BAD day. she moved like the wind and i have never seen any dog clear a fence so easily... but at the same time she would get the sleeve and get tossed like she wasnt there. Where a larger dog is going to not only have the bite but the weight to drag and tire out the decoy. its not all about attacking him, sometimes its just about holding him and dragging him to the dirt.

Minicolpilot- You are of course entitled to disagree with me, and I with you... which i do. Based on your personal experience in protection training; you have learned these things. I stand by my initial breakdown however because we are not talking about protection training or the act of protection we are talking about guarding breeds... and i am sure you know that its entirely different. comparing a mal to a pit is a good comparison; the tunnel vison, the tenacity, etc. but i still wouldnt consider a mal a manstopper.

I have seen several Neo work and they dont need gas.. they have such weight and power its usually enough to stop a man on the initail burst.
Neos are not runners, they are designed to be silent and secretive and to burst upon and threat and to end it quickly. think of a male lion.... they are not designed to run... they are bulky and heavy and muscular for the battle itself. here is one that you will understand... think of chinaman. his mouth as so hard and he had so much power that he crushed his opponents right off the bat. he didnt need extra long wind or to be able to go for hours... he was ideal for the initial rush to end the fight. that is how a neo is designed. Now keep in mind if you have one of these overdone super wrinkled showbred lazy ass dogs, that is not the case. Neos should be able to run and jump and all of that just not for excesses amounts of time. the caliber of the dog in question is definately a factor.

we are in complete agreement about the Fila. Phenominal dog in this arena.


I am not saying that a 60 pounds dog CANT do the job... i am saying bigger dogs are better for the purpose of power (not strength), weight, and intimidation... all of which are huge factors in the area of guarding. looking at a malinois they are not intimidating unless you know the breed and what they are capable of... your run of the mill crack head has no idea. But put in its place 200 pounds of highly irritable neo... see how many people will acutally even contemplate coming over the fence with that on the other side.

 

Absolutely agree even if you are joking. Dogs can be a great part of security but you have to always have a plan B.