Question about raw

How often are yall feeding kidneys and about how many ounces? Last week i went and bought a whole beef kidney and the thing is a pretty darn big. How many days a week? thx for any info

 

just kinda mix & match but give it all in even ammounts. im no expert but if i were to do it off the top of my head thats how i would do it.

right now i mix the kibble with canned pink salmon, sometimes raw hamburger or chicken. i always add an egg with the shell, and squeez 2 fish oil pills on each of theyre food. oh yea and i throw in some yogurt or cottage cheese with it.

not a completely raw diet or anything but theyre happy with it and im hoping theyre gettin the nutrients they need.

 

watch feeding the eggs from stores, get Farm Fresh if your feeding eggs and shells,

the store shells are covered in a preservative! (was told, and is fact! checked in to it!)

and 2.5 - 4oz's twice a week is good, depending on size, 2.5 oz's for pups 2 times a week, or 3-4oz' 2 times a week,


depends how you make your feed up... you feed everything everyday or cover all bases threw out the week!

 

thx for the info,

i havent really been serious about goin raw, i juss throw that stuff in with theyre food so they can eat good lol

ive been thinkin about going your rout though with the rabbits & chickens, but id need my own place for that!

 

you are very correct! that's why you should try to buy organic as much as possible right popper

 

i agree thats why i dont give those funky shells

 

i had no idea till STPFAN informed me! the more you read up on it, the basic you keep it, i see a lot of folks feeding fruit and stuff, keep it simple!

bones, meat/fresh, tripe, organs, and farm fresh eggs, blender scraps,

I'll feed rice if one gets the shits, or multivitamin every now and again, not everyday tho, and lots of fresh water at all times!

the more you add, the less your saving and the more your cleaning up, i believe wild dogs find eggs and berries and stuff, but not straight up out looking for it tho, just keep it simple!

or you will maybe give them gas and stomach issues,and the squirts changing all the time, change meat sources too, to goat or horse, rabbit, cattle, and chicken too!

to much of one thing isn't great either, but a lot better than kibble!

 

damn is kibble really that bad for dogs? lol

 

good advice BUck... i think simple is key

keep it simple and balanced .... dont ya thinki that is best bet buck? where is my absolute best bet to find goat and horse meat? i live out in the damn city

 

laced depend on what you give .... the quality in kibble varies greatly

 

i feed diamond, but ive been hearing from folks that swear by raw, that ALL kibble is garbage!

somethin to think about, do you think that the old timers fed theyre dogs a raw diet back n tha day?

 

whatever organ you feed imo wheter itd we bear liver or kidney, i wouldn't give more than 5-10% of the total amount of food. I feed about 85% animal proteins (most is meat chicken beef... I include tuna mackerel sardin, eggs yogurt depending on what i got.) 5-10% organs and bones and 5-10% of fruits and vegetables (some are to avoid) and a few oils.
Id say MOST important thing is DIVERSITY .

 

i got a lewbanes butcher, goat , cattle , and sheep are available ,not pork tho lol, so i add bacon, the stuff from the town butcher, 4 kg, for like $25 bucks, that and eggs are all i'll buy and every 3 months more mutilvitamins as always,

but then its $30 for 8 dogs , instead of i'll say 2 bags each dog a month , at $29-32 dollars i think i was paying for kibble, and i think that a lot of helth problems stem from kibble, but, i'm no scientist, nor do i pretend to know all about RAW, but, its simple feed wheat a wild dog would eat, and stick to that. horse, is easier to buy live(or find i should say, live), then i was told leave un wormed for up to a month-6 months to weed out vac.'s that are not safe for consumption, Drycreek and BobbyR, helped me out alot, in a thread called Horse meat i think , it was called...

 

joey you know i stiill love ya

 

hmm i dont think i wil be finding horse meat around here , maybe some rabbit or sheep. i need to hit up a butcher and see what they say.... i was talking to these people in london that feed raw , and they do something called bin rading, where they go and take all the scraps from the butcher out the bin after closing . you should have seen all the scraps of meat they aquired , i couldnt believe it.

 

but you don't love joey's organic choices hmmmm

 

Another thing to remember is whenever you feed muscle meat....you gotta feed bone to balalnce out the calcium:phosphorus ratio. I believe it should be 2:1 so that why I feed mainly chicken quarters as my base. You can also supplement with a calcium tab or bone meal but this calcium:phosphorus ratio is very important in raw feeding! One day a week I feed ONLY whole frozen fish either mackeral or sardines.

YIS

 

Natural Diet:
Don't "Just Do It"
By Christie Keith

Natural diet is a feeding plan formulated to mimic or reproduce the diet on which a species evolved. There are many recipes and feeding plans that are based on this approach to feeding pet dogs and cats, and several, including those by vets Richard Pitcairn and Ian Billinghurst, are extremely popular among holistically oriented pet owners.
But many people have adopted a diet that is considerably more casual than that - a diet I call the "whatever" diet.
The "whatever" diet is a thrown-together diet loosely based on a recipe or feeding plan that someone else came up with, with whatever variations appeal to the pet owner. The justification for this diet is usually something like, "Dogs and cats thrived for centuries on the leftovers of their owners' diets and what they could hunt up or scavenge on the farm. We don't need a degree in nutrition to feed ourselves; why have we let the pet food companies scare us into thinking you need one to feed your pets?"
There is of course some truth in that. But there are also some misconceptions.
In today's world, it's not safe to let your dogs and cats hunt and scavenge for themselves. What we feed them is what they get, and unlike us, they can't satisfy a sudden craving for some broccoli with a quick trip to the market. Day after day, for their entire lives, they make do on what we put in their bowls. Those dogs and cats in the "good old days" caught rodents, raided henhouses, ate dead animals in the forest, raided compost heaps, gardens, and grain stores, and in general, had many opportunities to fill the nutritional gaps left by their owners.
Dogs have a somewhat less specific need for certain nutrients, but felines have a very narrow range of nutritional need. In both cases, the most crucial balance is the calcium/phosphorus ratio, with accompanying levels of certain vitamins and minerals that allow the body to utilize those nutrients. If that ratio is not right, the dog and cat will leech calcium from their very bones, in a condition that can be fatal and irreversible.
The common practice of feeding meat without bones (or bone meal) is nutritionally disastrous for dogs and cats. The correct proportion of meat to bones or bone meal is also poorly understood by many people, and their reliance on recommendations made by people who themselves don't know what they are doing makes the problem worse.
A homemade diet can be the best or the worst thing you can feed your pet. If you are going to feed homemade, do it right. Use a recipe or feeding plan based on sound nutritional principles, which has been used by many people over a long period of time. I faithfully weighed and measured every bite I gave my dogs and cats for over ten years before I felt comfortable enough modifying their diets. For cats I still feel best feeding a very precise recipe.
Most feeding plans, whether Wendy Volhard's or Billinghurst's or Pitcairn's, are designed with a certain amount of variety and flexibility in them. It's best to adhere to the diet as written, rather than using it as a loose guide, as so many folks do. This way, you will cover the bases nutritionally.
I got an email some time ago from someone whose had one kitten die and another who was near death, from feeding a diet based on a recipe she had picked up off someone's web site. She couldn't find the bone meal the recipe called for in the store, so she left it out. When I looked at the diet, I saw that it said "optional" before listing the supplements. "Supplements" can indeed be "optional," but bone meal in a recipe is NOT a supplement; it is part of the diet itself.
There are far too many people giving eggs and meat to their pets without providing a balance to all the phosphorus they contain. Meat contains no calcium, and lots of phosphorus; bones contain lots of calcium. Eggs contain lots of phosphorus; the shells contain calcium. That is nature's balance. If we feed meat without bones or eggs without shells, or aren't sure of the correct ratios of those things to feed, we must use something to replace them. It is a common and tragic mistake to give a diet far too high in phosphorus to cats and dogs. (This is also common in human diets in the developed world, and a virtual epidemic of bone disease is the result, particularly in women, whose requirements for calcium are both greater and more specific than for men.)
Another common mistake is adding dairy to the food to provide calcium. While dairy products can be a good source of calcium, in general they contain phosphorus also. While they themselves are usually balanced (excluding cottage cheese, which is high in phosphorus), this means they don't have enough calcium in them to balance the phosphorus in the meat, too. Even an animal (or human) getting abundant calcium in their diet cannot use it if the phosphorus and other ratios are incorrect. This is not something your pet can fix for themselves; it is the owner's responsibility to know what they are doing.
If you cannot follow a tested recipe, it would be better to use a commercial diet. Don't make your dog or cat the victim of your own ignorance or carelessness. It's one thing to make that mistake on yourself; you, after all, can be overwhelmed with a need for a big green salad and go out and get one. Your cat and dog can't do that. There are some raw commercial diets to which you can add your own fresh, raw foods, such as Grandad's Pet Foods or Natural Diet Foundation from Wendy Volhard, or prepared raw foods diets such as Aunt Jeni's Home Made 4 Life. These are alternatives for those who don't with to prepare foods themselves, but would like the benefits of a fresh, home-prepared diet. There are also freeze-dried diets such as Archetype from Wysong, made with raw ingredients but packaged like a kibble. (I have no commercial interest in any of these companies, and am just mentioning them as a resource.)
I have fed homemade since 1986, and I know that sometimes it can be difficult. Pitcairn has several simple recipes in his book [ame="http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/ASIN/0875962432/qid=1022616773/sr=1-1/caberfeidhsco-20"]Dr. Pitcairn's Complete Guide to Natural Health for Dogs and Cats[/ame], including some that are quick and basic, for occasional feeding. He has others that are meant to supplement a commercial diet, and some very simple recipes that can be fed every day. Take your responsibilities seriously, and follow the recipes. If you adopt a feeding plan such as Billinghurst's [ame="http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/redirect?tag=caberfeidhsco-20&path=tg/detail/-/0646160281/qid=1108870124/sr=1-1/ref=sr_1_1/?v=glance&s=books"]Give Your Dog a Bone[/ame], READ THE WHOLE BOOK, not just someone's summary of it on an email list, message board, or the web. Understand the details of what he is advocating, not just the general idea.
Canine and feline diets, like those of all predatory carnivores, are among nature's most precise and specific diets. Big cats and canids die and become ill in captivity all over the world, because their keepers cannot get their diets right. Don't make your cats and dogs the victims of the same problem. Unlike those trying to raise an endangered rare wild cat in captivity, we DO know what comprises a balanced diet for our cats and dogs. Don't turn your back on that information. Use it.

 

thats my basis also and i feed salmon like twice a week with the skin and all
... where can you get bone meal? 2 to 1 what ? and where is the phosphorus coming from?

 

laced iknow they def fed scraps and what not but i dunno ... thats a good question..... what feed was out back then?