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Paper Hanging!

Discussion in 'APBT History' started by misterdogman, Jun 21, 2005.

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  1. misterdogman

    misterdogman CH Dog

    BGFU, to have the insight to see that gives me a lot of respect for you. A lot of people wouldn't see it that way but the real dogmen do.
     
    misterdogman, Jul 14, 2005
    #61
  2. The Watcher

    The Watcher Till The Wheels Fall Off.

    very important story mrdogman!
    hope some learn from it.......

    PS- BGFU, how is Mamma Cass?? ;)
     
    The Watcher, Jul 14, 2005
    #62
  3. SLICK WILLIE

    SLICK WILLIE Guest

    Cassy is doing fine! The old belly is growing good right now just hope she ant setting me up for a false labor!
     
    Last edited by a moderator: Jul 18, 2005
    SLICK WILLIE, Jul 14, 2005
    #63
  4. preme

    preme CH Dog

    some say old honeybunch was a crenshaw dog why no one talks up her littemates?:rolleyes:
     
    preme, Jun 5, 2009
    #64
  5. Bxpits

    Bxpits CH Dog

    lots of good info here, keep it coming:D
     
    Bxpits, Jun 5, 2009
    #65
  6. Caos

    Caos CH Dog

    bred dogs not papers!
     
    Caos, Jun 5, 2009
    #66
  7. Ja-net

    Ja-net Banned

    Someone once told me that if you look at alot of heavy inbred Honeybunch dogs you wont see no black colored dogs. Wasnt Bullyson and his siblings black? Things that make you go hhhmmmmm lol.
     
    Ja-net, Jun 5, 2009
    #67
  8. TDK

    TDK CH Dog Staff Member

    I have known FR for quite a number of years. I like FR. But somehow, the death bed story strikes me almost funny.
    First, I don't believe FR was anywhere near MC when he died. Second, I can tell you without any qualms, that when MC made a lie, he didn't hide a thing about having told it. He would literally stand right in front of you and belly-laugh about having told it. He didn't give a shit, I promise you. To MC, it was all just a game, and part of THE game.

    I have quite another of his angles in my mind about any last stories or truths he may or may not have yielded. It would be more like MC to have told yet another deceptive tale on his way out just to have one more belly laugh at us all before he went.

    TDK
     
    TDK, Jun 5, 2009
    #68
  9. slim12

    slim12 Super Moderator Staff Member

    i would be paper hanging is far more rampant than we would like to know. if you have bred everything in your dogs pedigree for three or four generations, then you know what you have for at least three or four generations. Beyond that you just have to take peoples word for it.
    an example of the true worth of a pedigree:
    Ayoung guy down the road gets into the dogs. he buys from some reputable breeders. the lady down the road had a 'pet bull' that she cant keep in a pen and refuses to chain out. she gets loose and comes straight to the chained dogs. he complains. she says will you take the dog for me. gives him the papers. if you name a blood line she has it in her ped. you cant go out of your way to make it any more scattered. take her hunting, and she is the deal....now she is Ch. Angel (3XW). 36min (RIP), 42 min (RIP), 58 min (RIP). so papers are worthless for the most part. and good dogs are where you find them. s.
     
    slim12, Jun 8, 2009
    #69
  10. cameron

    cameron Big Dog

    it wasn't carver frank was talking about it was a friend of his named tommy shire who he also stated helped steal dibo with tudor(he stated he cut the rope)
     
    cameron, Sep 28, 2009
    #70
  11. mac 11

    mac 11 Banned

    hell even hand written peds are hung. Ask.....well you know.
     
    mac 11, Sep 28, 2009
    #71
  12. cutt

    cutt CH Dog

    Easy there Mac.. or this thread will dissapear..lol
     
    cutt, Sep 28, 2009
    #72
  13. art

    art Big Dog

    think that is ture jeep dogs buckskin and not black :cool: but them m.caver dogs are stemrollers :rolleyes:
     
    art, Sep 28, 2009
    #73
  14. FrankDublin

    FrankDublin CH Dog

    LOL LOL LOL LOL OLO LOL oLO
     
    FrankDublin, Sep 28, 2009
    #74
  15. Bobby Rooster

    Bobby Rooster CH Dog

    I think that in EVERY single line today(except 1) the dogs have hung papers in their pedigree, every last one (-1)...

    The ONLY line that doesn't you may ask?

    DNA'p Colby dogs.
     
    Bobby Rooster, Sep 28, 2009
    #75
  16. cameron

    cameron Big Dog

    u know for certain not 1 of them colby dogs are hung throughout history?
     
    cameron, Sep 28, 2009
    #76
  17. ABK

    ABK Rest In Peace

    I have to agree with cameron. DNA is that has only recently been started to be used. If Colby DNA'd ALL his dogs from beginning to end, yes, you could make that claim none of his dogs were paper hung. But he didn't. Plus, he got dogs from other people as well & who knows what they did. As a result I don't think you can say for sure there is ANY line who is 100% free of any paper hanging.
     
    ABK, Sep 28, 2009
    #77
  18. CLKENNELS

    CLKENNELS Top Dog

    Sounds like Bobby thinks Colby had first dibs on dna technology.... Bobby ,you have to admit that was one ignorant statement...
     
    CLKENNELS, Sep 28, 2009
    #78
  19. slim12

    slim12 Super Moderator Staff Member

    I can see it happening a lot more back then considering the top kennels.breeders were competing with one another in the box. If dog A and dog B produce me a real good one and I know you got the same ingredients down the road, why would I not make dog C the father? I'm winning with my dog and you are then 'experimenting' with the next breeding trying to duplicate my good one. And then if you stumble upon something with what I sold you, well, I already know the true ingredients so I can copy what you did with the true make-up and still win in the end. Sort of like having the cake and eating it too.
    The reason for hanging papers back then was to protect what you were winning with, and winning being the primary purpose of breeding better dogs. It was competition. The competition of today is to sell the most puppies, so papaer hanging is more rampant today than it was years ago because of the $$$ involved.
    I hate it either way, and disagree with it wholeheartedly, but it is a problem with an easy cure so it is no real problem other than for arguments sake. I don't dwell on such things as this. s.
     
    slim12, Sep 28, 2009
    #79
  20. yrrej

    yrrej Pup

    Exactly. The last 2 generations matter the most. in the old days, many people used to paper hang dogs to 1) be able to sell more of the popular bloodlines and 2) to confuse anybody who bought their dogs so they would make the wrong breedings. Gameness has a lot to do with the right breeding. The reverse was also true. people would paper hang a dog with apparently poor breeding, although it was actually from respectable parents, and 'let slip, the 'bad breeding' in order to drive up the odds and the purse. Anything is possible in the world of gambling....
     
    yrrej, Dec 18, 2009
    #80
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