judgeing and breeding to a cold dog...??????

Let me translate what blew8balls is trying to say LOL

He is saying that he is a green (or blue) newbie trying to learn all he can by asking these questions. LOL

 

!0 x ^^^^^

 

.......the answers speak volumes for 99% of ya's..........clueless

 

...well thanks tdk......it was'nt hard...lol........personally like you say,as a rule i would all-ways..try and breed to a proven...but there has been a few good reports of some poping up out off cold bitch's,,(never used one)..i notice it is more likely to be done to-day....as say ya would not hear much about people doing it say 30 year back/etc/etc...it would have to be very specical circumstances .............ya need to put a-lot of taught into it before doing it all-right.....

 

Blue, there is also a difference in breeding to a cold bitch and breeding to a cold bitch that you heard good things about and producing.

 

I have a feeling that many people dont know what a real cold dog is!. othen confused with a RANK CUR wich is a compleat diferend animal. . I have bred to cold bitches a couple of times and all of them produced AWESOME to say the least. Mind you they where supurb bred and had littermates that where outstanding.... Have talkt to the known legendary oldtimers of the past in my time. and most of them agree that Cold bitches produce very wel. and they have NO problem breeding to them. Not so long ago I had G Hammonds at my place and ofcours we talk buldogs. I askt him to give me some more and deeper toughts about his way he lookt at it. And he said Big-D its a freaky thing that cant be realy ecsplained very wel ,But i Think its dubble dead gamennes!. I askt what do you meen. He said sins a cold dog is not running of and is not showing cur signs but also thussend fight back. Its like walking in a arena to a sirting death with your arms wide open more ore les saying here i am kill me!!!!!!!!!!!. without a fight ore flight mode in your system. Altho we cant call it gamennes ... your stil showing a overload of caracter. facing and walking towards your death wth a smill on your face not defending yourself.. i think its death gamennes twice over.

One thing is for sure 8 out of 10 times these kind of dogs produce ecseptional dogs.. Now you the forum exsperds who didnt bred dogs for 40+ years who have not put out dogs the world over and who havend walkt that path. who didnt breed as mutch CH GRCH and ROM dogs like the man above and others like him who are genuin breed builders that elivated our breed to higher standerds. Are you going to argue with him and those like him and the others who been there done it and are still doing it breeding awesome dogs. And make fool of yourselfs in saying that a cold dog is the same as a cur!!!.

last year we bred to a stone cold deaf bitch she is a littermate to hammonds Race Horse Haines She is ecstreamly tight bred and the signs are showing she is producing very wel .. There are plenty of top producing cold dogs in pedigrees today lot of people dont know of. here are a couple of them known dogs of the past that where stone cold where ONLINE PEDIGREES :: [152] :: (SHIVAR'S) LOPOSAY'S BUSTER
ONLINE PEDIGREES :: [30013] :: ROCHE'S COLLEEN I belive not sure that ONLINE PEDIGREES :: [386] :: WILLIAMS' SATIN LADY williams Sating lady was a cold bitch as wel. And she was Plumbers CH Alligators mother , and his dad was said to be a cur dog.. and we all know about Alligators Littermates and there legasy.

I have NO problem breeding to cold bitches as long as i know where they come from who bred them and if there littermates are upto par and are producing..
Another ofthen missed understoot thing ore freak of nature ofset is that some dogs when fooling around against another dog refuse to fool around with a second dog!!. and are to focused on the first dog. they wine and cry against that second dog. Now get that first dog back and they go at it again......
now tell us is he a cur!! ore is he ore she showing us some kind of weard un ecsplained resesive gene ore what ever... It is not just Game ore Cur in this breed. there are strange variables. and some of them like a Cold dog produce better then plenty a star quality dog around.

 

do your home work conjo

 

a bitch shows how to produce .
a male shows how to fight
test of the family is time .


BERT SORREL

 

...LK...it's what would be your first choice....GIVEN the situation ariseing...where ya have the choice,,,an example is two litter-sisters,,i know one which is cold (was given time to prove other-wise,but would jus not use what it had),,now the two sisters were bred to ,the cold produceing better quality than the sister,which also produced good...as a rule a-lot of people won't..but what i'm saying..would'nt rule it out....so maybe a-lot off taught should be done before passing over certain dogs...

 

nice Limey. Don't know about calling that double dead gameness but overall yea

 

limey that was a hell of a story you got .

 

I don't think anybody ever questioned the fact as to weather a cold bitch can produce. That's an interesting theory as to a cold dog being some sort of brave feat or something. There's always going to be a multitude of opinions on styles and ways of breeding. But my question to a person that feels that breeding cold dogs is okay because they have produced, what's the point of the show? And secondly do you really think it makes a difference if its the male or female that's cold? I know that a lot of people have bred cold dogs and curs and have produced good dogs but if improving what's on your yard is the goal wouldn't it be more productive to breed solid dogs? Just me thinking

 

True, I was just wanting to hear the views on the topic really. I've heard others that stated that you learn how to fight from your daddy so it didn't matter about the bitch.

 

Not true,,,,,,,,

 

stay in controle of your bitches.

 

...bang on tdk...some-times people are to quick to label a dog cold...what ur saying is true it happend many years back to a friend,and i,,were made liars out off it..lol...there's no need to be extreme with patience,but some is all-way's better......good q..ing...cajun-b....how do people feel when it comes to a dog or bitch cold,,in a breeding...???????????????