Garner's "Simba"

italianpit · Oct 2, 2016

niko said: ↑

Both bred by TG....how do you know their ped is correct?
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They are garner's dogs
http://tom-garner-kennels.com/Redboy.shtml
Here in europe there is a kennel who run mostly that dogs with very good results

jstevens · Oct 2, 2016

italianpit said: ↑

I talk about bullyson...
No niko, He came from china who is good Blood. I don't know if frisco was a Cur but there are many bad word against him and with him, his breeder become The Most big peddler in the world...this is why i don't feed frisco dogs
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IP,I think when NIKO says how do you know their ped is correct, he's talking about you having said things like this. I mean if you really believe all the controversy, seems you would have some doubts about the ped you posted. so it's not whether or not their GARNER dogs, it's how do you know that ped is correct. That was my take on it anyway. and thanks for wanting to give that contact info. not a big fan of the redboy dogs. had a real bad experience with one back in the early 90s. though I do have a male who is heavy inbred HALL'S X HAMMONDS with a REDBOY JOCKO out

italianpit · Oct 2, 2016

jstevens said: ↑

IP,I think when NIKO says how do you know their ped is correct, he's talking about you having said things like this. I mean if you really believe all the controversy, seems you would have some doubts about the ped you posted. so it's not whether or not their GARNER dogs, it's how do you know that ped is correct. That was my take on it anyway. and thanks for wanting to give that contact info. not a big fan of the redboy dogs. had a real bad experience with one back in the early 90s. though I do have a male who is heavy inbred HALL'S X HAMMONDS with a REDBOY JOCKO out
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I don't know if it is 100% right but some seems To work. I don't beleve the controversy, i only prefer to don't know by myself if its true and i want My dog adba registred

italianpit · Oct 2, 2016

jstevens said: ↑

Both dogs have FRISCO in them. Does anyone know of a dog that GARNER produced from this blood that has earned a name for its self. From my understanding, there's better sources of this line. but most of us will never get our hands on them.
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I had think you want to know about those garnEr redboy..My fault

niko · Oct 2, 2016

Exactly what I meant J

preme · Oct 29, 2016

jstevens said: ↑

Been following this thread for some time now. well this is what I just breed, my GR CH CEASAR x MISS SIMBA 2 female to BRONZIE CHAKA who is off NO BS'S JESTER AKA GARNERS PETE AKA BRONZIE JESTER, guess I don't have to give my opinion on the blood. I like it, and for me that's all that matters. Would I take the game plug loser HELL YES, But just for brood purposes. If your game dog never gets to display his gameness, because he was destroyed before it matters what difference does his gameness matter unless it's in the brood pen.
Very much looking forward to seeing what this litter has to offer.
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I had one of them also.. The jester stuff

preme · Oct 29, 2016

Kostas81 said: ↑

I would like to see those individuals. I was always intrigued by Jester and the Simba2 x Ceasar breedings.

PS: I am also impressed that we are at page n.8 of a Garner thread and the conversation is on a civilised level. Nice!
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The ceser cross really helped them dogs in my opinion

old goat · Oct 29, 2016

italianpit said: ↑

I had think you want to know about those garnEr redboy..My fault
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why do you want them registered ?

italianpit · Oct 30, 2016

OsageDogman2014 said: ↑

Re: Garner's "Simba"

Some info gathered long ago about the dog known as Ch. Simba.......found in a place similar to this....take it for what it is worth to you.....source is unknown...

Man...where do I start! I guess I admit that by the standard we all embrace Simba was a cur. To the best of my knowledge Little Gator was a cold dog that never started. Unless he did truly start later in life, then quit, he shouldn't be called a cur. Frisco was deep game and proved it in a war with a helluva 52 lb(6 lbs larger than Frisco)killer called Leaver Red:Claims to the contrary are simply the fruit of small jealous minds and people who have realized the only way they can ever compete in life is to falsely discredit those who have passed them by.
Simba never turned in 5 pulling matches, never made any bad moves from schooling pulls up until his final failed scratch. There were many hurtful factors that contributed to Simba's failure. If we subtract them from the equation however, that still doesn't mean he was absolutely game: It simply means that we probably wouldn't have found the limits to his gameness at his fifth weight pull. Neither Simba nor Little Gator were dogs that had the fear component that we typically associate with curs. Both were short on a specific kind of aggression we call prey drive. At the same time both were blessed with virtually every other feature one could hope for in a dog. Therefore, the challenge in breeding either of them is simply to breed to bitches that will reliably throw prey drive. The success in both camps with these two dogs as studs should tell us that both have met the challenge, and thus it must be a goal that one can reasonably expect to meet in breeding this type of stud.
Simba is unique within all my experience with dogs. He and at least some of his offspring have a unique adrenal condition that is set off by loud noise/sudden movement. Simba would work his ass off if his conditioner would periodically fire a gun or set off a loud horn. But he was low on natural animal aggression. This dog could generate more hell for his opponent than any other in my slice of experience. Those who have seen both Art and Simba pull say Simba pulls harder hands down.

TO CHINAMAN: PLEASE EXPLAIN MORE ABOUT SIMBA BEING THE MOST PHYSICALLY TALENTED DOG THAT EVER WALKED. SHOULDN'T HE BE #2 AND THE ANIMAL THE HE STOPPED AGAINST BE #1. NOW I KNOW THAT THERE IS ALWAYS EXCEPTIONS BUT 9X OUT 0F 10 THE BETTER DOG WINS. DID SIMBA STOP ON TOP, WAS THERE SOMETHING WRONG WITH HIM, ETC? PAINT THE PICTURE FOR ME

After seeing the astounding success of Simba through his first four wins (total time under 50 minutes)his conditioner developed delusions of grandeur and concluded that he, the conditioner, had the Midas touch. Anything he touched would turn to Gold. Unfortunately, the reality was that the conditiner had been the lucky recipient of a great dog and a great keep. Without authorization he abandoned the keep for hog hunt number five and instituted his own method. Eight days before the event his deception was discovered by the owner of Simba who chewed the conditioners ass for his dishonesty. The conditioner apologized and promised to get back on track. Instead of honoring his agreement, he gave Simba 9cc of dexamethazone in the last 36 hours prior to the keep. It is not uncommon to use dex in this fashion, but the amount used here was exorbitant. 9cc in a 40 lb dog is the equivalent of giving 45cc to a 200 lb man! I have injected 3cc in myself before and I was unable to sleep for 24 hours. I felt anxious and a little paranoid. I can't imagine what sort of craziness one might feel after receiving the dosage given to Simba.
In reality, some dogs really have a bad reaction to dex. Some become paranoid and disoriented. Given the amount injected into Simba, it becomes a powerful diuretic. Simba's mouth and gums were completely dry. When the skin on his back was pulled up, it stayed up. He weighed a pound lighter than he ever had in his adult life. He was severely dehydrated.
When the hunt began, Simba appeared disoriented. Even though his opponent was little more than average, Simba was always a second behind in his reaction time. At the 26 minute mark, Simba seemed to collect himself a bit and launched a more typical Simba attack. In the next 4-5 minutes he reduced his opponent to a defenseless hog lying on his back no longer defending himself. Simba was rearranging the hogs guts and the hog had stopped trying to keep him out. Against the instructions of Simba's owner, Simba's handler scooped up Simba from this dominant position and made the handle of the year. Had he not handled it would have ended right there. Simba was set on the line to scratch. Always in the past the handler had squeezed Simba before he released him so he would know he was free. For whatever reason, this time he did not. Simba stood staring at the hog when he was released. The hog was then released for a courtesy. When the hog moved his first step, Simba charged over and met him on his half of the arena, slammed him to the floor and continued to wreck him.
There are several points that can be made here. One that is relevant to your question is that Simba was essentially unhurt by the hog. Simba's failure would have been no different if he was facing a Teddy Bear. His failure was a product of his nature and his conditioner/handler's treatment. In short, the athletic prowess of the hog had no bearing on Simba's failure.
As a side note, the damage to the hog was so severe that many folks say he didn't survive. His side supposedly brought him out again a year later. They refused all challenges for a year by parties that would be using another hog from the Simba side, then did a little private deal that was only heard about after the fact to make their hog a Gd Ch. Some folks claim they used another hog to stand in for the first one to claim the Gd Ch title.

Please note that the above historical account was not a first hand account, that it has been passed from person to person, may be entirely fictional, and the teller of this story was in no shape or form a participant. This story is told for entertainment purposes only.
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I think many dogman done some mistake but few of them show up excuses like this..
I don't know if it's true but time ago I read that this was his first scratch in competition..how you call a dog who failed he's first scratch? also limay talk about this episode If i remember right.

Kostas81 · Oct 30, 2016

preme said: ↑

The ceser cross really helped them dogs in my opinion
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Is there a case that happened the other way around?

preme · Oct 31, 2016

Ok

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Is there a case that happened the other way around?
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