Cesar Millan opens up about his love of pitbulls, Daddy, and newest puppy Junior

gee, and to think all the old timers shoulda just used a stun gun so both dogs and maybe even the handlers coulda got a taste of it. the point in posting the video is this...HE HAD NO WAY TO BREAK UP THE FIGHT BUT RIPPING THEM APART! i take a stick everywhere my dogs go, and thats part of being a responsible owner of the APBT. he is obviously NOT one. introducing to pitbulls and not bringing an means to break a fight up. and you say HE knows this breed??? LMMFAO

 

and BTW, daddy is a bully...Camelot as a matter of fact

 

currently i only have my APBT, but i usually have 2 or 3 other dogs that arent personally mine that i keep those dogs include a 98lb Dogo Argentino, 110lb Rotti, and Grey Wolf/Husky 80/20% mix. all of those dogs are well trained an socialized but guess what they also hog hunt with the exception of the wolf mix. they all listen to me and their owners an they are all unaltered my APBT is a female the other 3 are males.

i have 6 years of dog handling exprience which is NOT A LOT i know that, but results speak for themselves. i also had a timber wolf/GSD mix of 80/20% an that thing was amazing even after the hormones kicked in but i dont think i would own another one (to put it simplely i didnt have to feed it).

 

actually i have gone through training in dealing with being maced, tased, and stunned and honestly they all suck balls but they work and for the most part are non-lethal.

he didnt rip the dogs apart, he held both dog an waited for the biting dog to naturally release. i have never used a break stick because i've never had the need to do you have a video of one being used or could i youtube it?

 

im sure you can find the info out there. as for all those cur dogs you speak of...they arent the same. if they were true APBTs, you either already know how to use a stick or theyd all be tore to sh*t. im speakin truth man, from experience, had em since i was a little kid. and if those dogs in the vid were real APBTs and not bully crap or whatever, he wouldnt have succeeded just by waiting for them to let go. lol

 

actually none of the dogs are Curs ( i live in florida we actually have a breed called florida cracker curs so excuse me if i dont understand your meaning of cur).

the Dogo Argentino is a 100% pack oriented dog, what do you know about the breed?

the rotti is called a cattle/guard dog used on a farm

the wolf hybrid is just a pet

what do you consider a "true APBT"? a dog that will just attack any dog because it feels like it.

 

any dog that isnt an APBT is a cur, and a true APBT is straight off generation after generation of proven dogs. attackin every dog dont mean crap. plenty of good dogs throughout history would know the difference between in the box and out of it. hell, some of em would go out and wander around a yard among other dogs, but when it was business time, they knew what to do.

 

wow can you say elitist, how bout this you bring your game bred APBT down to florida an i'll supply the Dogo Argentino (they are all game bred) for a little old fashion catch match ill supply the land for the wild hogs too.

oh i forgot something very obvious why is that my dog can work in a pack to catch hogs? according to you they should all be fighting each other right?

lol not every dog off of a good fighting dog is a true APBT genetics only take you so far but the rest is based on the dogs will and the handlers ability. if you cant train the dog then it wont perform to its max, if the dog is just not up to the task then it wont perform.

 

your dogos might be fine and dandy at hogs, but using cajun rules NOTHING is better than an APBT in the box lb for lb, its been proven. i didnt say sh*t about winning dogs, thats what a good man makes a dog, right? i just said true APBTs come from true APBTs.

 

and yes, alotta folks do call anything else a cur...not being an elitest. while i dont have hogs to hunt, i do have plenty of coyotes. my boy terminated 2 of em yesterday morning as a matter of fact. this thread has gotten way off topic. lol

 

I agree only 2 APBTs can produce another APBT. The Bully is a new breed under the umbrella of PB. Again if you are meaning APBT when you say Pit Bull OK.

I also believe the old timers, the keepers of a game bred APBT were very singular in what they were trying to accomplish. I also say had they had todays issues to deal with they would have trained their dogs and very easily because most old dogmen were natural alphas....it would have been an easy task for them. They simply had no really good reason to deviate from their objective. Today producing a good APBT that must live by our new standards is essential to the survival of the breed. You can have a "game" animal that is well trained.....it s all up to the handler IMO. I am grateful for good dogmen and women - they strive to keep the APBT true, training this magnificent animal should not in any way detract from a good product, the APBT in it's original form...I am all for it!

 

HA!!! LMAO!! you must have no idea who I am and what I do with my dogs :rolleyes: Yeah as that video shows what a great pack leader he really is by not being ready to break up that fight the right way. Did that video look good for our breed?

Yeah that video is just too much! As a trainer I would never put two APBT's or any breed in that situation. You can get a handle on DA but it does not mean you have to let them off leash and tempt fate.

 

"pitbull" is a stupid term that isnt even breed specific. APBT is. when i say "pitbull" notice the quotes...thats cuz its usually tongue in cheek. i know the difference, too bad most dont. and yes you can have a game animal thats trained. but you will not eliminate dog aggression, only manage it. if you feel you have to be the "alpha" and make sure your dog only focuses on you when other dogs are around, whatever, but you are forcing the animal to ignore its instincts. if you feel the need to change or mold your APBT to an animal that isnt DA, or atleast shows no sign of it, you have the wrong breed. thats one of our biggest problems as owners, people get these dogs, watch a couple DVDs and "become the alpha". sooner or later the true nature is gonna surface, and who gets the blame?...the dog. dont try to change your dog cuz you cant eliminate a couple hundred years of selective breeding with a few trips to a dog behavior specialist and some time spent in the backyard practicing the technique youve learned.

 

I feel everyone that owns a dog should be the alpha. They are animals and being in control IMO guarantees the highest level of safety. I love my dawgs true nature I just prefer to harness that potential in a different direction because it is so pure and so raw. To watch professional handlers work their dogs is a natural high for me.....it is such a human/animal connection. These are not back yard practitioners they are skilled professionals and what they do is magic to me. I strive every competition to join their ranks, it is a challenge and an honor when one of them compliments me or my girl....makes me want more.

I agree with performance as well, just because you have a well trained dog with the nature of an APBT you don't throw them into a situation that is foolish. There is a happy medium IMO.

 

i agree as an owner you damn well better be the boss, but the term alpha is almost funny to me anymore cuz it gets thrown around all the time by folks who by the books and watch the dvds. lol...and yes Performance Knls if anyone knows whats up. take that post as the truth

 

It isn't just PBs either, I know some guys that compete their GSDs and Mally's and staright up tell people don't touch my dogs, because as controlled as those dogs are they take a limb if given half a chance.....caution is wise! I always get a kick out of folks that walk up to K-9s and try to pet the dog and then are surprised when they get backed up in a HUGE hurry....ya gotta wonder what they are thinkin LOL

 

lol so your forcing the dog to ignore its instincts to fight another but yet its not instinctive for the dog to be pack oriented? nice real nice.

i beg to differ again when the dog was first bred in Europe what was it purpose before dog fighting hit the seen?
after dog fighting became popular THEN breeders started to breed dog for DA because they could make money off of it.

when someone tries to become the dominant creature over their pet, they are not trying to eliminate anything maybe they are trying to suppress something, but remember not all offspring to "game" bred dogs have the desire to live up to what their parents were. i think if you animal sees you as the boss an you have mental control over that animal, then you wont be disappointed.

performance do you have a website i can goto an look at what you do? also what is the goal of your breeding program? do you put out dog fighters or catch dogs?

like i said personally i think the dogs were fine until CM opened his mouth, look at the dogs body language toward each other. also the video doesnt look good no matter what breed it is, would it be any different if it was 2 golden retrivers?

just a side question but why are breeders, breeding for highly DA APBTs? as far as i know dogfighting is illegal in this country. you can have a highly game dog without it being highly DA the Dogos bred in my area is a perfect example of this.

agreed.

 

performance kennels i seen your website an i like your stuff. personally i perfer catch dogs and hunters more

 

dogos---APBTs = apples---oranges

 

thats going to happen when you compare breeds, but like i asked what was the temperment of pit bulls like in europe BEFORE dog fighting caught on?

the dogs were still highly game

also you never explained to me why i can take 4 APBT catch dogs on a hunt an none of them rip each other to shreds?