What's your favorite body type for Bulldogs and why?

I apologize for the abrupt ending to my post....damn dogs gave the computer a shot. Ultimately, I think we will not see eye to eye on this matter, and that's fine. This thread shouldn't be about two guys arguing from here on out, so I'll let it go the best I can LOL.
As to the IK remarks, and specifically my dogs, well I certainly can't read the sarcasm in your typed words, hell I don't even know you to ascertain as much. If it was in jest, then so be it

 

there has been plenty of dogs with good conformation that didn't do to good with a dog that looked like it had a hard time walking . their body was no where near as strong as the other but lol thing just happen sometimes but not always so the body doesn't mean much without the rest .

 

No argument here, I believe it! A physically blessed dog still must know how to use his talents....and even that does not guarantee a win. One of my better friends in high school was 6'8", but could not play a lick of basketball....it was a shame, but that's how it goes sometimes LOL.

 

You just proved my point, like I told you many times in all my other posts its ALL ABOUT PERFORMANCE regardless of ones body type.

 

True Saiyagin in this case, however he did have that 6'8" advantage to begin with....which would have undoubtedly been to his favor against his 6'2" and 3" counterparts. Once again, I never claimed that heart can't propel an even weak bodied dog to victory, but rather that there are other factors that are beneficial....that being body structure. They go hand in hand.

 

It's too many variables because every body structure has strengths and weaknesses, for every rangy dog with great tools its a short legged barrel chested powerhouse that will run through him and another rangy dog that would hold him out.. Body structure has it's importance but it's not over performance.. Luthor, Freebee, Bolero, Andy Capp and a host of others didnt have perfect structure but by Gosh they had perfect performance.

 

AGK alouw me to retart. you know as wel as i do what was ment . And that is that if all things are equal( besides confermation as that is wat i was on about in my previus posts) the dog with the better confermation will always win.

 

Now thats a good looking atleath..

 

and what do we need to be able to diliver the max performance .

 

I think too many worry about what it looks like rather than what it can do. JMO
I believe in the school of though that form will follow function and what looks good to me might not look good to you since beauty is in the eye of the beer holder.
However, when the tailgate drops all that goes out the window since these dogs weren't bred to be pretty (although they surely are the best looking dogs to me).... I can give credit where credit is due, your black and tan dog is one of the best looking dogs I've ever seen, the exact same body style and look I like myself, but how's his heart?
That question is rhetorical don't answer that lol It was used to make people think more about what's more important, or what should be more important IMO. Conformation vs Capability, I'd rather have the latter and I don't believe that the prettiest one will always win. They can have the best conformation in the world but if their heart isn't right, all that don't mean shit....
Nice to see you back posting again

 

Thats one hell of a goodlooking dog short1. Brindell to boot how much you want for the sob lmao

 

Great posts RockNRye and AGK, at the end of the day when all is said and done it doesn't matter about what your opinion or scientific theorys or speculation has to say about one's body type it all comes down to the proven facts of there performance.

 

You need good attributes regardless of ones body type.

For example a dog with a good body type but has low levels in his attributes vs. a dog with a not so good body type but has great attributes , which dog do you think will perform better?. Its the dog with better attributes that will perform better as attributes are not directly related to body type. When I speak of performance it means all his attributes that make him excel in his performance regardless of body type.

 

What I said is TRUE IN ALL CASES, your just to blind to see it because your stuck in your own STRATTON WAYS LMAO. There are many factors that contribute to a dogs performance and out of all those factors his body type is the LEAST of importance, next to his color of his coat LMAO.

 

I think there is confusion between the term "conformation" vs. the structure and physics of the body. One can get you blue ribbons, while the other can get victories. They do overlap, as some of the preferred physical traits are also correct for the standard of the breed. But I hope that no one is assuming that I think you should breed for "looks," so your dog can look pretty in a show ring. I'd rather not even refer to it as "conformation" in this thread due to the negativity associated with it. This is science and nature, where some physical attributes are dominant over others, and thus more desirable.....survival of the fittest so to speak. It's not a new concept. Now, before anyone brings up "gameness"...don't bother, I agree LOL. It is the wildcard that trumps all else....but what a slippery little weasel it is! I just wanted to clarify myself is all

 

Allow me to ask you a hypothetical question....if you have in one corner a dog who is physically gifted as defined by Stratton (and the whole science community LOL) vs. a dog in another corner who is not as endowed physically, and assuming both are equally game individuals....who are you placing your money on? Now, before you lecture me about gameness, this question is being asked before the match begins!
While I'm at it though, what are your thoughts on gameness....do you believe there are "degrees" of gameness? Which do you consider more game....dead game, game loser, or game winner? Just curious to pick your brain

 

Yes...Yes....& O Yaw! Another outstanding American Pitbull Terrier that any sum a bit would be lucky to have, IDK if someone talked about my boy like that, I think I would have to empty both barrels in em!

 

I appreciate your thoughts TDK, and what I had "bolded" is very nicely worded. I never thought any of us were that far apart in this discussion....and I still don't.