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Pretty good speaker! a rapper at that ;)

Discussion in 'Dog Discussion' started by Marty, Jan 20, 2007.

  1. MinorThreat

    MinorThreat CH Dog

    He should take his act to the Senate, I'm sure they would take him seriously.
     
  2. BoogiemanBlood

    BoogiemanBlood Premium Member Premium Member

    To those of you running this guy down just because he's rapping about the subject, you should find something to do with your pathetic lives. so are you disrespecting all the long standing members on here too such as Marty, Atilla, CB, Suki and anyone else I missed just because they thought it was good? or are you gonna cur like a little puss now that i brought that up? seems to me you're jealous you don't have the nuts to stand up like he does!

    edit: oh and by the way i don't like rap i'm just not too dumb to look past it.
     
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  3. Lethalpits

    Lethalpits Top Dog

    I didn't have to do anything, Minor's first comment about the man is sparked alot of our interest in it. And his last post goes to show how he feels about the man, since he was labelled a 'rapper'. The reason I pointed out the title is because I wonder if people like Minor would have commented so if the words 'and a rapper at that' were not in the title. I know there are probably 'many of you' that do not appreciate urban music or it's artists, but I'm sure there are some here that can.

    It would be the same as if I posted an article written by someone and put 'Here's a good article. And by a country singer at that!'.

    I'm sure someone would ask what I meant by that, that's all I'm asking.
     
  4. Lethalpits

    Lethalpits Top Dog

    "Anyway, I don't see how he was hacking the English language. Our "English" is messed up anyway compared to formal "English". Most people call it American now because of that. If I was to assume, I would say that you wrote that first post without listening to him in the first place. My guess would be that you thought Marty was being sarcastic (I did before listening to the man), and just wrote down what you thought he would be like. But I won't assume that..."

    You see what I mean?
     
  5. kanediggity

    kanediggity Big Dog

    they may or may not take him seriously but if he has reached one person and that person reaches another then it cant be a bad thing, but maybe your idea of bashing people that try to do something positive outside the way you do it will get it done who knows.
     
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  6. WWII

    WWII Banned

    :confused:
     
  7. MercedesMama

    MercedesMama Guest

    Ok, I didnt read every post. Just the last 2 or 3 pages, and all I have to say is, who cares how he did it, said it, who he said it to, he got the point across in a way he felt relevant. Let me again say HE GOT HIS POINT ACROSS! That's all that matters. He got up and talked about what he felt passionate about and I'm sure every person standing in that room not only listened but really heard what he was saying and that's all that matters. I personally thought he did an excellent job.
    Now how many of you in here questioning his method would get up and do something like that?
     
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  8. Lethalpits

    Lethalpits Top Dog

    Not meant to you WW2, I was still talking to Rock. I was usin your post as an example of how you thought Marty was being sarcastic. But well put post and Tupac was one of the most intelligent preachers/speakers of our newer generation. Too bad he have much to say about bulldogs =p
     
  9. WWII

    WWII Banned

    I'm a hip hop fan.;) He also said "...hip hop has to keep its ear to the street. Rap can do whatever it wants and talk about whatever it wants. Hip hop has to stay real". Well, it was something very similar to that. Which is true. Rap is crap. Cars, money, girls, cristal.... Hip hop is where it's at. The Rakims out there. The Commons, Mos Defs, Talib Kwelis. They are what hip hop is. Not Chingy, or Dem Franchise Boys who just make songs to get money. All that is just something to hear and bang your head to (sometimes against a brick wall). But music like One Mic by Nas or R U Still Down by Pac actually speaks to people. Nas has that new song out Hip Hop is Dead which basically talks about how corporations have ruined it. It's actually funny to listen to a Tupac interview and then listen to a Ying Yang Twins interview. Look at how bad it has gotten to be.
     
  10. Marty

    Marty Banned

    Most of the Rappers now days get a bad rap because of the image they portray, I'm with this guy all the way hes got a head on his shoulders ;)
     
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  11. Lethalpits

    Lethalpits Top Dog

    Yep. I call it 'Hip-pop'. I don't appreciate much of the songs that have little to no meaning to them other speaking about rims and drug dealing. Now there are some that speak through to the people having to use those subjects because alot of us are stuck in that path, but few using that direction.

    The meaningless songs is what plagues the urban music. And when people like Wali the Pope go up to speak about something, you have people like Minor that refuse to listen because he is 'a rapper at that'.
     
  12. MercedesMama

    MercedesMama Guest

    I think many are with him on his points made, but feel it was done in an unorthodox way. I think it to be great. Honestly how many of the people in that room would have stood there if he was just simply talking about the situation?
     
  13. Lethalpits

    Lethalpits Top Dog

    Understood Marty. I agree with you, I'm a hip hop producer myself and don't appreciate most of hip pop going around and it's messing up the scene. It puts the whole group in a stereo type.
     
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  14. Lethalpits

    Lethalpits Top Dog

    Very true. Did ya'll see how amped the teens were? I was laughing cause its funny but its good though that they are that into it.
     
  15. MercedesMama

    MercedesMama Guest

    I was waiting for some music and dancers..LMAO...j/k. Those kids were really paying attention to what he was saying and that's what really matters. Now if they would've taught like that in school, I would've been valedictorian..haha.
     
  16. JuicyCa

    JuicyCa Big Dog

    Excellent point! The key to being a great speaker is captivating your audience, not necessarily using proper grammar or pronunciation. He obviously achieved getting his point across, as many of us enjoyed his "poetry". I saw Marty's point-I'm sure he meant it in the way 14 said...that's how I took it, anyway. I'm not much of a rap fan anymore (too much bitch/ho/money crap), and I actually enjoyed that little speech.

    What matters is that he can get across to a generally unreachable section of the "pit" owning demographic. We need all the help we can get. True, some of the stereotypical owners out there are less than desirable, but with more speakers like him that can reach those people, the better. If it takes speaking to them at their level of understanding to get them to change the things about them that MAKE them undesirable owners, so be it. Whether or not one or several people in particular agree with his method of speaking, it works for some.

    Opinions are like ***holes... ;)
     
  17. Lethalpits

    Lethalpits Top Dog

    Very good point Juicy.
     
  18. JuicyCa

    JuicyCa Big Dog

    That's also a good point: the rap and hip-hop sub-culture is too big to ignore these days. It's unfortunate that more young people these days don't vote. If they did, more politicians would surely have to take notice! They might even have to book someone like this rapper/poet for some of their campaign stops, LoL!

    It's refreshing to see today's youth being passionate and really getting riled up about something. It takes A LOT to get teenagers excited about anything, and he sure got the job done.
     
  19. Suki

    Suki Guest

    I have an almost, 18 year old and a 19 year old, and "rap" is almost always on, somewhere in my home. Admittedly, initially, I was indecisive about it, but have grown to understand it, and therefore, have become more accepting of it. imo, it is human nature to question or criticize that which we don't understand or are uncertain of.
    But what difference does it really make, or SHOULD it even make, as to the type of "medium" that is used, (whether that be country, rap or rock, or whatever), so long as the message is a positive/good one? I don't see how/why it matters if a word isn't pronounced correctly, spelled right, or spoken or sang by someone who is either 16 or 90, or has purple, yellow or orange skin? Why should it matter?????:confused: ????? just so long as the message they're trying to convey is for our betterment. Yes, that "rapper" mentioned famous, previous owners. He mentioned that as "pit bull" owners, we'd BETTER stop all our bull shit, and focus on our unification as owners, as opposed to our division, based on our dogs' colors. He brings up very good points, most of which we ALL need to think about. I fail to see how these points or this video are in ANY way bad, ...
    I feel sorry for those whose glass is half empty. Whose pov, regarding this video is one that's negative. That rapper's message was perfectly clear, to me, and he's right! We NEED to stop ALL this bull shit amongst owners. We NEED to fight legislation that proposes breed specific legislation, and we NEED to do this, in unification, so that NONE of us witnesses this breeds' DEMISE!!!! I fail to see what is wrong with his thinking, OR, his rapping?
    This guy may have an audience that is youthful, but since it IS the youth that will someday run this country, then, yes, I think they need/should be reached.
    If rap is the meduim of choice, and a positive message can be conveyed, and desired results achieved, then hell, rap away!
    and maybe Marty mentioned being a rapper, so that those that don't like rap would be given a heads up, and have the afore knowledge of its contents, in case they didn't want to open it.... not certain, on that, but that's my perspective. only Marty can correctly answer that.

    more rap, for anyone interested: (imo, another good vid, and is on my myspace page)
    http://vids.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=vids.individual&videoid=1609971701
     
  20. Titch_Pitbull

    Titch_Pitbull Top Dog

    More on him

    http://www.myspace.com/walitheblackpope

    Listen to the Elite Edge Song. Although he reps Blues because he was requested to write it.

    But listen to the rest.

    "Im talking about mans best freind...Put a bad name on pitbulls you got me vexed again"

    "Respect to the Dogmen"

    "And motherf*** BSL"

    "This is ment to be the land of the free they call these dogs american"

    Listen to the Off the Ground its a lyrical biography really touching
    (look at the game-dog in the background hehe)

    -----------------------------------------------------------------------
    I'm Wali, The Black Pope. I was born in the state of Virginia. Although I was born in this slave state, I've lived in New York, Stamford, CT, Kansas , City and Philadelphia. I currently bounce back and forth between Philly and Va. I have done over 12 1/2 years incarcerated in Va. While I was in Va. corruptional centers, I obtained my paralegal degree and fought my way out. I formed the The Black Revolutionary Field N.I.G.G.A. organization. We stand on the principles of TRUTH, JUSTICE, PEACE, RIGHTEOUS and UNITY amongst ourselves. We are FREEDOM FIGHTERS. Fighters of OPPRESSION AND SUPPRESSION. I' am a spoken word artist first. Rapping is an extra gift given. I come from a place where the "so-called" realist in the street meet, penitentiary. I don't condone getting incarcerated but that is how I grew up. I was placed on probation when I was 10 years old. I was incarcerated for the first time at the tender age of 11. I did 4 years between 11 and 16 years old. At 17 I was tried as an adult and given 15 years under the no parole rule. I would only do 5 1/2 years before getting out on a technicality. I battled legally until I eventually kicked the doors open. Of course doing time at a young age like that will institutionalize the person. So yes, I did get out and caugt another case of which I didn't do much time for. Here I'am today to show the world what a ex-prisoner and former heroin addict, (a habit I picked up in prison), can do. SHOULD NOT HAVE LET A DOPEFIEND GET CLEAN!
     

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