dagger kennels..really that big?

I saw one of them at a pull 2 years ago, and it was definitely over 120 lbs - enormous. It did look more like an oversize AST than some others I have seen, but it clearly isn't. The one I saw seemed really screwy to me, like it was constantly about to nip the handler, and had that goofy aloof mastiff way about it. I don't know if that is representative of them, but they can have them.

 

they look like f***** presa's dude :confused:

 

sorry i'm new here I've just been reading and trying to learn so far but I have to jump in and say that they basically are presa's. I know wait a minute so I can finish.. an awfull lot of presas and dogo canarios in america are just basically bandogs with a lot of bulldog and AST blood. check the first presa he was BLUE! wtf true/rustic/original/whatever you wanna call 'em presas do not come in blue lol NEO BLOOD.

huge 135lb red nose pit = DDB x somewhere.

anyway i'll go back to lurking in the shadows learning from the best game breeders.

greetings from England.

 

presa's a reconstruction that includes dozens of breeds,neo's included.
ive seen manuel cuartos list of breeds that were used in the reconstruction and it was vast,although it was also from the early 70's i believe.
As for my dog,this is all i can speak for as a owner,he acts like a full bred apbt.
I think the object was to breed in some mastiff for size and then breed it out while retaining the size.
You basically get a big pit bull with loads of drive but lacking gameness,but who knows the dogs arent tryed so nobody can say for sure,maybe one could be game?
surely the vast majority are far from game,but i wouldnt be fooled,there neither lazy or dopey mastiffs in personality

 

I understand what you're saying because my brother has had two of these "pure" huge "pits". one was game one was not. another way of putting what i said into different words is a lot of presas and nearly all dogos are huge pits. I am fully aware of what Manuel Curto Gracia (I think this is who you mean?) did with the reconstruction process but if you look at the results they are very similar in phenotype. the differences being gameness, and also presas are bred to be HA where as this is not desired in a true bulldog. so then look at dogo canarios (the majority) they are just basically for showing and they look like big pits and have a lot of their blood in them I know someone who would never openly admit to using an outcross but has privately confessed that he has used an AST and a large (75lb) APBT in his programme. all i'm saying is they may have gone about it slightly different but the results have been the same. I hope that makes sense lol. maybe I should have stayed as an observer

 

makes sense to me!

 

I don,t get it, do you, and others here, call Bullies and all kinds of cross breeds and bastards for Pitbulls and pits?

If so you should´nt. That is what media does when they try to make money on calling all kinds of incident street dogs for pitbulls. Because the pitbull/pit name sells. We should know better, especially on a place where newcomers are looking for info.

There are only one type of pit bull, the pitbull terrier, APBT. There can only be one kind of blood in a pitbull, pure apbt blood.
The Bullie breed f. ex. is a breed with an unhealthy body and shape, made only out of speculation and vanity, about as far from the essence of pitbull it is possible to be. Sometimes sold with help of the name pitbull; that it has pitbull genes a.s.o. But it is not a type of pitbull, it is one of the types of dogs which endangers the apbt breed.

It is a disgrace, Sorry to say, but so it is.

 

Those dog's eyes tell me there is some Neo Mastiff in their males.

 

A dog that is simply driven or even dominant or aggressive is not "GAME." :mad:

 

CALIKEITH-

I know exactly what you mean! Big punch for a lightweight. Meika is only 70 pounds, but pure muscle. Rock hard and driven... Her lines are Watchdog, Razors Edge (the old school one), Gaff, and Old Family Red Nose. She is amazing..

 

TomBstone, look at the age of the thread, its from years ago. i am pretty sure that calikeith has passed on and left us. R.I.P.


on another note had never saw this thread in the past. 135pound APBT?

this is Gamedog.com not LAMEDOG.com.

 

yeah there is no way!

 

yep RIP CK

 

Huge mutts & yes they were that big. I seen these dogs years ago when the owner lived close by. First time I seen "pit bulls" that size. The owner kept insisting they were the real deal :rolleyes:

 

They are def. the most sought after bloodline in the world.

Shit, Lee D and I have been on their waiting list for over 10 years now.

Our Lay-A-Way program is starting to pay off though...

Don't hate...:partyguy:

 

yep, when i get my hands on some of that stuff, look out! i might even change my avatar to my NEW favorite BWAAAA

 

Dagger Doggs are as big as they say, i have been aroung dagger for about 12-14 years now and have raised a few, they are pure dogs that are bred to pull and like Bone, OX, Avalanche, and Alcatraze, they succeed in what they do.

 

They are bullies in my book pure and simple, nothing against them, whatever floats your boat, but claiming them to be pure pitbull is baloney. thats just a marketing ploy no more no less, they could be labradoodles for all I care they are not pit bulls.

 

No true APBT fancier is not going to step near those dogs.

 

Alright, I am new to the site but here it goes. I agree with parts of what most have said. The big person to blame are the greedy associations we get our dogs papered through. I use APBA, AKC, and UKC. I enjoy nearly every aspect of the Amstaff or Pit world in my yard. I have game dogs which are Colby line, Amstaff which is from Gotti line, sired by Big Island Blues "Kimo" and so on. Those who know the industry know what's wrong with what I just said. Diamond is PURPLE RIBBON, APBT... wtf! Her Sire and Dam were notoriously bully to the T. She came out classic or standard Staffordshire Terrier so her new owner did not want her. So I gladly picked up the PR dog. when i looked up her parents I was like wtf, and the PR registration was for an APBT, her chips matched up! Since then i have won time after time for classic female staffordshire Terrier across the association board! I have seen the Dagger dogs pull at nationals, my 78 lb. Colby is not in their weight thank god. Their temperament is horrible for the most part like they are on crack all the time. They do have papers, they DO weigh that much, to be exact not to correct you guys too much... There is a height range that APBT's are typically found in but by show and association standards no limit to the height or weight. height weight will never be measured against the breed in ring. In conclusion authorities greater then us say they are APBT! As you and I know their checks and balance system isn't the greatest though (refer to story of my staffordhire). Also be aware i call them all pits, because that is what my buyers refer to them as, it is what they google and I would rather reach the demographic then to be smug about terminology. To other breeders, YES the only actual pit is the APBT.