any takers

at the end of the day some dreamers still talk shit about other peoples' staffords, but dont have the courage to talk about theirs good or bad, perhaps cause they aint got any? or they aint worth talking about?
Its very easy to sit here and talk shit all day long like they do, or "just" talk about their ghost aces they have, had or still are making so much noise in such a clandestine way.
Imagination is a very powerful thing.

 

dreamers wil be dreamers and i think if talkers have such good dogs then come and show it, invest in your dogs and your breeding program and travel and hunt.
Like i said it is not allowed to hunt over here with out certain license and to many rules but i'm willing to go around to world to do my own thing.
For not even 2000$ i have a return ticket from EU to the States inc a dog.
So i'm going over to be there for the hunt, next stop down under for some hog hunting with the apbt after that Asia is next.
It may cost me but i know my dogs are bloody hell been proven them selfs al those years.

So for those who say they have working class SBT let me put up this legal challange, save your money and put your dogs where your mouth is and come with me to the hunt !
So let's get a legal hunting party together and see who has what and travel around the world to do so or are you afraid you wil be wasting your money ?
I know i would be happier to spend that much money once a year for a hunting trip with my dogs then to spend it on a vacation in a resort.

 

i'm so afraid of airplaines but i'm willing to go to a place in Europe where is feasable for folks with quarantine regulations. a good hunting place where none of us would have problems going in and out with the hounds. if not I have little spot in the US where we can have some lagers and bbq after watching the dogs work

 

think it wil be more fun in the states, there's more aloud to hunt as in the EU specialy for our kind of dogs.
LOL when i'm coming over it wil my first flight ever hahaha

 

Do you have room bud Im coming too lol.

 

LOL sounds like fun.

 

you know you dont even have to ask bud "Mi casa es tu casa", Niko is supposedly coming too

 

Supernaturalist....
I am not wanting to sound like an expert but your spring pole set up shoud be modified.
With your set up your Stafford can easily jump up and accidentally bit into the spring or harware and brake his teeth.
You could put another rope in between just to creat more distance.

Nice stafford what kennel does he come from?

Cheers

 

Thanks for your concern norseman, I'm aware of the problem and have stopped using the springpole until I can fix it. He's too lame to use it right now anyway. I love his attitude and drive, he's perfect in that respect however due to his genetic hip and knee issues he's not what I would call a nice stafford.

 

if you dont mind me asking what are his hip and knee issues?

 

I don't mind, I brought it up. He has hip dysplasia and a luxating patella.

 

i am sorry , but knowing what i know now i would be looking at getting a replacement or my money back , not even 2 years old i beleive,,

 

I am going to have to disagree with Angus' issues being genetic. He is the only one of his blood known to have hip/knee issues. His sire is OFA Hips - Excellent, Elbows - Normal, Patellas - Normal, and Cardiac - Clear; and his dam is OFA Hips - Good. His his parents, grandparents, siblings, aunt, uncles, and cousins most are performance dogs with no issues.
His littermates are all participating in sports...Kimber (flyball), Baynard (agility), Victa (agility), and Boom (flyball, weight pull, dock diving, agility, and lure coursing). None of our dogs have problems.
However, Angus was quite overweight for the first year of his life and you still tried to work him like an athlete. I have seen your flirst pole videos of him leaping for the tug, only to miss the tug and splat on his back end on the hard ground. Obese puppies and excessive heavy activities can cause all of the structural problems that Angus is suffering from. I feel bad for Angus and the injuries that he has sustained, and hope that the vets can figure out a way to keep him pain free.

 

You can feel free to disagree, but Angus' issues are genetic. His mom's OFA rating was fair, which is a borderline rating.He did get a little extra weight at one point as a puppy, but at no point was he obese. I also did not do any work at all with him as a puppy. He did not even see a flirtpole until he was 8 months old, and this was just chasing, no jumping to give him a good exercise because he had gotten a little chubby. That was the first real exercise he got, up until that point it was all hand walking and playing with other dogs. I did not even want him doing excessive jumping on and off the couch. While training him for flyball he did not even go over jumps until he was 10 months old, didn't start training on a well padded wall board at a low angle until he was a year.The video you are referring to was the only time that happened because it made me very nervous and he was 13 months old there, hardly a puppy. It is unusual for this to show up so early in a dog's life,I really do hope that the rest of his litter do not suffer what he has, because no dog deserves that.

And just to prove Angus was never obese, here are pictures from his puppyhood.

At 20 weeks


at 5 months


At 6 months, a little bloated since he tried to drink the ocean that day but ribs still visible.


7 months, a little chubby here since we were visiting my parents and they spoiled him rotten and they free feed their dogs, there was a couple times he got into their food. But certainly not "obese"



8 months, here I introduced some light flirtpole to work off the weight my parents put on him. Sure he was chubby, but his ribs were still easily feelable and visible when he stretched. Still not obese.


Some angles made him look fatter, like this one but you can see from the above pictures that he was not as fat as he appears. Even here, he has a visible tuck and his muscles are visible, if he was obese, there would be a thick covering of fat over them.


9 months


10 months



11 months



1 year


If Angus' issues were my fault I would take the blame. But they are not. Spending a month a little overweight is not going to cause a dog to develop issues like this, if it did almost every pet dog and show dog out there would be dysplastic. And to say I overworked him as a puppy is downright laughable, I was absurdly careful with him.

 

Just to prove that Angus' dam was not rated "Good" by OFA, here is the link to her ratings, where it clearly states that they are "Fair" http://www.offa.org/display.html?appnum=1382484#animal

 

small and medium breeds seldom have hd problems. maybe a good sign the show stock has foreing blood infused? (i.e. english bulldog). staffords arent unbreakable but i wouldnt expect elbow and hip problems for such stout and healthy breed. i might be wrong once again

 

12 gauge, I wish it were as you stated BUT the truth is all breeds can have hip disorders.... wolves included.
The larger the breed the more it can be a problem for the dog.... a Stafford kept in shape with fair rated hips will seldoms show symptoms usless calsium build up is abundant.

ALSO two individuals dogs with good hip scoring bred to eachother CAN and WILL through pups with good hips and a few bad as well.
Its just the way it is... picking the right pup.... and so will two individual dogs with a fair hip score

unless X-rays are done and properly scored for many generations it will be a guessing game. " I have never seen my dog with poor hip symptoms" is not a proper hip score.


just a few extra pounds is not going to wipe out a set og hips in such a short time spane.

at the end of the day its all down to genetics isn't it..... genetics for way back in time we know little about before the x-ray machine was invented.

 

well i guess i learnt something new. the dogs i have dont show any lameness even when i work the soul out of them. i guess is like you said, pure genetics. breed shit dogs and you will get shit dogs.

 

Read again 12 gauge.... that is not what I wrote. and you definitly missed this:
unless X-rays are done and properly scored for many generations it will be a guessing game. " I have never seen my dog with poor hip symptoms" is not a proper hip score.

and as I stated.... until you have a proper HD Hip scoring your dog may just have HD "fair" or even "poor".
Why don't you have it done just for the hell of it. Most people don't like doing it because the results are for public viewing.

 

i have nothing to hide, if the dog has bad hips is genetic period. what i care is the dog works or not. if i sell a pup or dog and is genetically ill, crippled or lame i will replace the dog. will check the parents and if it is hereditary the parents will no longer be bred and humanely will be given the dirty nap