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Natural Born Kennels

Discussion in 'Breeder Discussion' started by CopperOFRN, Sep 13, 2022.

  1. CopperOFRN

    CopperOFRN Big Dog

    I have American Bulldogs. I’m looking for a good prospect to add to the crew as I’m not happy with my male AB in the woods. He is a great dog, but not suited for the woods(IMO) jitterbug is the yard I’ve been looking at (baconshaka) been producing dogs consistently for a long time. Easy to talk to- offer insight on shit you thought only you thought of, lol. Tell your buddy ssdd- I meant nothing by any of it. You boys have a good night
  2. GrChHaunch

    GrChHaunch Top Dog

    SSDD is OK once he settles down. He is kind of the official welcoming committee here, LOL. I like to do obedience and protection and even some Shutzhund with these dogs but just understand what you are in for. Lots of more experienced dogmen than myself (I don't even consider myself a dogman, just a lover and historian of the breed) get upset with guys like us because the things we try and do often create serious problems. The more experienced guys will say I am wrong...and I have only owned 5 game bred dogs, but I have never been able to keep them from fighting.

    That is just my experience. Others will disagree. My first female did some Shutzhund and she was great as long as no other dogs got close to her. She would not show any signs of aggression even if a dog was 6 feet away but once it got close enough for her to get hold of she would fight. May last male was the same way. I was extremely careful with her and was lucky that the club accepted me. I have no idea how my current pup will do around other dogs. She is doing well at obedience right now so we will see.

    I can tell you this: The general attitude is that most dogs, regardless of their endeavors, will fail. Usually that means in the box...or most are not even good enough to make it to the box. I take a similar approach to whatever endeavor I seek. If it is a catch dog, go in with the assumption that you may have a dog that will fearlessly go after a 350 lb hog....but it will probably fight the other dogs. That is really the best attitude to have with a pup. That is the reason so many people buy older dogs, and why they pay so much. The problem with older dogs is they are almost always outdoor dogs and I need an indoor dog so have to start with a pup.
  3. Ssdd

    Ssdd CH Dog

    Idgaf lol. It's the internet. It's also not my business what anyone thinks of me until they say it to me.

    A little lip boxing keeps my 2nd and 3rd shifts interesting anyway.
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  4. GrChHaunch

    GrChHaunch Top Dog

    You actually can probably help this guy out. I know you don't like the guy, but who was the guy (actually the group) that was doing all the protection work?

    Also, you know some bandogs too, yes? Why don't you 2 kiss and make up...but no tongue =))

    I gotta have dogs that are true to the essence of the breed...so I always get dogs that have proven fighting dogs at least in the grandparents.

    Copper, you probably want a bigger dog, yes? Here are some big Hollingsworth dogs I considered:hollingsworths-bull Now of course there is no guarantee they will hunt in a pack, but they are gorgeous and big boned. And of course they come from some great dogs (Bull, Mayday, haunch). I like the guy who owned the place, he seemed very solid and knows Gary who I trust.. You are probably looking at about 2K plus shipping.
  5. Ssdd

    Ssdd CH Dog

    Idk the guy to have an opinion on him. Finding hog hunter, protection work groups, wp groups, etc isn't hard. I'm not going to do someone else's homework but they aren't hard to find
  6. Ssdd

    Ssdd CH Dog

    And team no fear. Ole boys names Phil and Clay
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  7. GrChHaunch

    GrChHaunch Top Dog

    Yeah, team no fear. That is the group that does protection and Schutzhund/IPO, yes? Copper: That is going to be closer to what you are looking for. I would say those dogs definitely have to be less inclined to fight each other since the dogs work in closer proximity to each other. They tend to be bigger dogs. It doesn't matter how game a 35 lb dog is if it gets gored by a giant feral pig.

    Just keep in mind you are taking your chances if you get a pup directly off a proven match dog. The upside is these dogs are always going to be pound for physically superior to pretty much any other dog on the planet. That is great because you get a smaller dog, say 55 lbs that hits/stops like a much bigger dog. And these dogs generally will not back down to anything. The downside is, as mentioned, they are less likely to work as a team.

    Have you considered a Dogo?

    Hopefully you can find something that works for you.
  8. Ssdd

    Ssdd CH Dog

    I have no issues with anyone getting an animal and doing what they please with it.... BUT if you saying ignorant shit while doing so I will comment.

    There's a plethora of what I consider "well bred performance animals" doing every task imaginable. I do whole heartedly believe a solid handler can get an animal from anywhere and make something out of it in their designated hobby. I don't believe bulldogs are solely useful in the box(I don't match, school, or anything of the sort with mine). But Clay bought a piece of shit(breeding wise imo) and made it one of the highest achieving dogs I've ever seen. Part of that was the dog a lot of that was the handler.

    Slim has said it better than anyone else.... "give the best conditioner/handler the worst dog ever they'll usually whip the best dog with the worst conditioner/handler anyday"(paraphrasing).

    I haven't checked out the pigshaka(or w/e) dogs but if they come from a group who is religiously using them for the hobby Ole copper wants to be in there's as good of a chance as any. I don't have a ton of catch dog experience but I know there's a "schooling" process to them dogs. It's not just pull a pup out a crate sit it on the dirt and it's catching godzilla....

    If you're using the dogs for a job I applaud you. Most folks aren't so the ones using these animals I'm always in their corner. I may not agree with you, like you, or have a good thing to say about u besides at least they're working their dogs but I'm in your corner.

    Too many folks have never had to pay dues. They want everything handed to them. I'm of a mindset of if you expect this dog to work and do any task you put in front of it the least you can do is put in your own hours. Nothing more or less.. we all started somewhere(I'm no dogman, breeder, etc just a loud mouth opinionated fan of the breed) and we're all paddling the same boat in the same direction but you're going to paddle as hard as I did....
  9. Pollo

    Pollo Big Dog

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  10. Pollo

    Pollo Big Dog

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  11. Pollo

    Pollo Big Dog

    These dogs are capable of any task including training. Thats a professional hunter that competes in the USA and Mexico.
    Introduced those dogs to his packs and yes those dogs take over the pack with a little warfare.
    Obviously his curs dogs will catch also, and yes his gamebred dogs will grab another dog if they interfere with the task.
    He uses the bulldogs for the hard sticky catches.
    Mf’s need to get off the internet with that I know all bullshit.
    Just because you know a guy that knows a guy that pet some fuckn dog don’t mean piss.
    Most experts on here truly have done absolutely zero to contribute to the breed and definitely aren’t qualified to give knowledge out.

    Shit I know I women that trained a 6 month old maniac to track and do protection work.
    I gave her the pup and got her back at 2 years old because she wanted to know what else the dog was capable of lol
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  12. Pullingcovers

    Pullingcovers Top Dog

    I agree
    that’s not very nice !
  13. GrChHaunch

    GrChHaunch Top Dog

    Those are fast lane dogs up front and close. So This would be a dog bred for the box. I've seen that Clavo dog in pedigrees around here and from a guy on he border between Mexico and Texas. The other dog had Blackrock blood which are high producing but smaller dogs from what I have seen. In any event those are game bred dogs that worked in a pack, interesting.
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  14. bamaman

    bamaman GRCH Dog

    Back in the day you could go to some old timers and they give you all the ear suckers you wanted for catch dogs. Long as they will catch on the ear , no problem . Any where else can be a danger to the handler as it opens up a situation for mistakes
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  15. bamaman

    bamaman GRCH Dog

    It's been plenty of game dogs that will hunt with a pack when young . A few may continue as they grow older but most will become to aggressive as they get older. Always exceptions to any rules .
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  16. bamaman

    bamaman GRCH Dog

    Look back and you will see Wacc posted videos of his dogs doing it.
  17. bamaman

    bamaman GRCH Dog

    Waccamaw I meant
  18. bamaman

    bamaman GRCH Dog

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  19. ben brockton

    ben brockton CH Dog

  20. Pullingcovers

    Pullingcovers Top Dog

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