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Discussion in 'APBT Bloodlines' started by Shogun_Renegade1, Apr 9, 2022.

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    CPK APBT Pup

    I kept reading after "I didn't Google"..Then stopped at the second "tool". I will finish after this reply. You didn't use the "tool" Google to give personal opinion without any support. But will start by saying POL is a "tool" if your not on Safari then how you didn't use Google "tool"? Then state that an 19xx Registration (1 of 3) acknowledge by GOV. (court cases show that). Is a "tool" in the same sense and dynamic. Thats shhh cray! But I understand ppl use a "tool" how they see fit. A hammer can be intended for nails, but can be weapon. And if you use a hammer to screw a screw. It's ok , it's a "tool". And whoever so choose can "tool". I will have a discussion about the validity of POL information and "user" conduct, same about ADBA. But both a "tool" NAW. Ppl who use either for providing correct information free to public (aside from the "tools" Internet and magical wi-fi) via POL or ADBA (associate information) to public via POL.

    CPK APBT Pup

    There's trolls that dont hate. I bet all the "paperwork" dogmen or feds have will prove ADBA is some kind of great thing. When it started you would of been or is the same "apbt" owner who would only hate if your dogs were questioned ADBA or not, papers or not. And simple NO never suffice.

    We should be able to all agree if its not at least ADBA you cant enter a "apbt" convo of paperwork. Pull out the POL "tool" too keep the convo going, prob 80% of ADBA will still engage in convo. 20% will even do a breeding and sign for paperwork. But in my 25+ years on the WWW I never seen the "paperless" and "on the internet" get anywhere.
    If Greenwoods as you say would have never started and cap' off this worthless paper trail. You wouldn't be trolling this thread!? You would be having fun or trolling with AKC/UKC/AmericanBully+ ppl. They been sniped themselves from POL. It's only ADBA and "Papers dont matter" ppl on POL. Them papers dont matter ppl cant even talk to AB+ ppl. They either flex a price well over 3k or talk shh bout your dog when there's damn near deformed. So all the papers dont matter POL trolls, troll ADBA or self proclaimed "game-dog" owners online "tool". We will never see them at a show. If on a hunt, it will be 3rd party and still you have to think why is the ADBA dogger here?
    Post some "apbt" or "game" dogs. One day someone will make a thread or share your POL "tool" page. And you too will get a "tool" troll like BKK and Lee. Welcome to the "PaperWork" party. Im bout start that thread.
  3. Ssdd

    Ssdd CH Dog

    This is hilarious..... I have a whole binder of adba papers not sent in. The only ones hung up on adba paperwork are breeders, peddlers, show folks and ppl who don't have an idea about the history of the adba.

    2 pics and hand written ped and $20 the local dog pound mutt is now officially adba registered.

    If those papers means so much to you hold on to them. I'll keep putting them in a binder and never thinking about them again. Guess you can do that when you know the folks behind your dogs and have more than 2.
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  4. Lee Robinson

    Lee Robinson Big Dog

    Even worse actually. He bred Shoto to Shoto…and called not only the offspring his, but also called Shotos dog his too. I bred it to an outcross and still named both parties.
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  5. Ssdd

    Ssdd CH Dog

    I also don't know how anyone "didn't catch it" I said it openly just like I said tutsoon after being called an edomite and "the oppressor"(and being threatened for being "the oppressor") after all that I do 100% feel it's ok to toss a slur or 2 back at the ppl who steal and bastradize my culture on a daily basis after the atrocities they committed against my ancestors.....

    So yeah some trolls don't hate but my "hate" is only pointed back at my oppressors and culture vultures.
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  6. slim12

    slim12 Super Moderator Staff Member

    Been trolling this thread here and there and pretty much do not have one in this fight, but,....

    The below is so true on papers. 95% of the population will say a dog is 'pure bred and has papers' and have no clue how easy it is to manipulate the papers and registries.

    When Patrick's Kasai was bred to a Patrick female in NC she didn't catch. She was brought back and she didn't catch again. So being a solid dude the guy that owned Patrick's Kasai let him bring a different female. She didn't catch either. We called Kasai the one stick wonder because he never missed even on the one-stick breedings. Kasai stamped all his off-spring. The only thing the bitch brought was the color. They were the same size, the same shape, they barked the same just really typical. I had a yard full of them.

    Two years later I travelled to that other yard and he had a yard full of dogs just like mine. It was like seeing and hearing my own backyard.

    The only difference is the registration.

    Is so easy, actually too easy.

    I had a male named Abu once. He was a Virgil/Mayday dog. I got the papers but they wee unsigned. I did my part of the transaction but the owner would not sign the papers until I 'did some more on my end' which was not the deal. I waited three months, forged his name (and did a really good job doing so) and a few weeks later the papers arrived.

    After his time was over here I sent him back and he was super pissed when I gave him the papers which were now in my name. I told himt o breed him how he wanted and for $1000 per letter I would sign my name. That was right after I sent a letter to the registry saying I had farmed him there and the puppies were not to be registered and the dog was not to be transferred. Since I struck first that dog died some years later as mine. But they bred the shit out of him anyway,

    Totally babbling and off-topic from the original posting, but the only dogs anyone knows about are the ones they bred. Even from the closest friend and most honest man, you can only think you know. Period.

    Hoping you can get this thread resolved. LOL


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  7. slim12

    slim12 Super Moderator Staff Member

    sorry for the above, the typos are everywhere.

  8. Ssdd

    Ssdd CH Dog

    With all the well known stories of famous paper hanging if anyone trusts the adba or any registry they're green or dumb.

    What's that cliché? Those that know know those that don't voice irrelevant opinions about something they know less than nothing about? Or something like that lol
  9. slim12

    slim12 Super Moderator Staff Member


    I hoo-doo'ed the system myself. I never bred the Abu male, only showed him, but I did what i did out of spite not for profit.

    But there is no real difference.

    And the next line after 'those who know, know" is those that know can't keep a secret. LOL

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  10. ben brockton

    ben brockton CH Dog

    I will never forget when adba registered a cat in the early 90's lmfao
  11. Ssdd

    Ssdd CH Dog

    I was in the room when someone called his "dear friend" Ralph's daughter and set up putting papers on a dog that didn't come off his stuff. Those pretty adba papers had dogs of his that had been buried outside for 10 years as the parents of this other person's dog.

    Didn't know about the cat lol. But I know all sorts of fuckery with the adba. But what do I know I'm in the "no papers" club lmfao
  12. patjr

    patjr Top Dog

    One is doing the fuckery and the other is taking your money to print it basically...who's really to blame here???...(pss...now looky at this hand written pedigree my buddy wrote out...sure is pretty aint it...same shit just cheaper lmao)
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  13. slim12

    slim12 Super Moderator Staff Member

    It seems like I remember reading or hearing that a long time ago. I guess I wondered if it were really true.

    Too funny.


  14. slim12

    slim12 Super Moderator Staff Member

    This is very true as well.

    A handwritten pedigree does offer some of the nostalgic warm fuzzies of yesteryear, but they do not have to be any more accurate than a set from a registry.

    PurePower Kennels registered dogs for a long time. When he got popped in 2010 they took all his paperwork, books, mills and dogs. From that point on he never registered another dog. Peds online was his registry service.

    Some ten-twelve years later I see several of his dogs being bred and registered.

    And sometimes it is the simple math that gives it away.

    In Georgia there is a three-year-old male that just CH' ed out in the past few months. He is 3. He is registered off a dog that died in 2017. I can walk to where he is buried and since I can do that I know he was not collected. Purepower Kennels passed away in 2018.

    If it meant anything to me or I thought, it would accomplish anything at all I might put them on blast but Big Malcolm at PurePower Kennels is getting a huge chuckle out of it I am sure.

    He was the most honest dog man I ever met. He told me the first day we met some 20+ years ago that when it came to the dogs he was going to tell me the truth most of the time and every now and then he would tell me a lie about the dogs. My job was to figure out where one ended and the other started.

    Hung papers and false registration has been a part of the game since the first dogs were registered. Most like to look back thru those rose-colored glasses and think it was done to 'hide the family recipe' and that may be the case some, but in a small percentage.

    If this were a auto-body restoration site we would say, "You use bondo and paint to make it look like what it ain't".

    Dogs no different.


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  15. treezpitz

    treezpitz CH Dog Staff Member

    Pull up a ped online and I guarantee SOMEWHERE in that pedigree is a hung dog, guaranteed. Same goes with ADBA and any other registry. I do believe some registries are better and do more homework than others but they are only as honest as the breeder is to them and we all know how that goes lol.
  16. Lee Robinson

    Lee Robinson Big Dog

    Ignore a breeder’s boastful rhetoric and instead check the breeder’s reputation and their verifiable productions.

    These internet experts out there make big claims but have no evidence…eapecially the big talkers and self proclaimed experts that we have never heard of outside the internet.

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  17. Ssdd

    Ssdd CH Dog

    Like say.... you?
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  18. slim12

    slim12 Super Moderator Staff Member

    I am glad to be one of the internet experts and there is no evidence I ever did anything.

  19. Ssdd

    Ssdd CH Dog

    We are too slim
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  20. BKK LIVE

    BKK LIVE Big Dog

    If anyone wanted Grand Champion break blood today could they go to Shoto??? If someone wanted Chinaman blood where do they go to get it???? The answer to the first question is no you can only get it from BKK. The answer to the second question is Tom Garner even though Garner did not produce chitamin. See where I'm going with this you idiots??? Whoever the person is with that particular strain is the source. BKK is the source so that makes it BKK strain. This is a no brainer. Just like that Frankie bump dog that H Lee is using. It's amazing how he doesn't want to plant his name on that dog. Lol one of the main reasons because it's not working. See if the BKK blood wasn't working then no one would be arguing over whose blood it is and who gets the credit. We should focus on the things that truly matter and this situation and it is the BKK blood is the real deal. Stone cold is a real deal producer. And Ashley to respond to your lies the only reason you know of the name Shoto is because of BKK which also contradicts your accusations that BKK took his name off of the pedigree. You got to be the dumbest history a teacher alive
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