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Full brother/sister breeding, has anyone tried?

Discussion in 'Breeder Discussion' started by pitbull-kid, Aug 30, 2013.

  1. ttlady

    ttlady Pup

    139186 164379 and one for the ages P. Carver's Stompanato
  2. gotta12v

    gotta12v Pup

    because of the available genes a bro to sis has the genetic diversity from both sides of the ped (mother and father) while a mother to son or father to daughter is going to be 3/4 concentrated on one side of the ped
  3. Dannyb

    Dannyb Big Dog

  4. stickler

    stickler Banned

    Oh yeah, Nedovic keeps all of them greats on ice.
    Guess it's a good example of 'good dogs are where you find them'.
    He probably won't share his secrets to us. lol
  5. ragedog10

    ragedog10 Top Dog

    He strikes again lol that guy has to be crazy or extremely bored. As for inbreeding it all depends on the quality of the dogs and the quality of the line. If you breed bro/sis and they are they only goods ones out of a litter of 8 and the family they come from is low % then you are wasting your time, inbreeding is a tool to preserve but if there is nothing there worth preserving then there is no purpose. Yis Ole Man
  6. Furious_Ford

    Furious_Ford Big Dog

    Inbreeding defects are VERY REAL...take this breeding for example, some of the males in this litter were born with 1 nut, or no nuts, not to mention other more common defects, & not 1 from the litter worked out!!!
    This 1 from the breeding had both his nuts, great bite, great conformation, hard worker in his exercise routines, was very smart & great temperment...but was very small at 35lbs when fat like in this ped photo, & just like ALL of his littermates at the age of 4 he proved to be VERY UNWORTHY of breeding!!!

  7. Dannyb

    Dannyb Big Dog

    Yeah, when you are trying to breed back to a specific individual.
  8. keystone

    keystone CH Dog

    evry pup has his own gene ...
    look to the twins in the litter .....
    now if you see 2 or 3 set of twins ...they are different
    you wanne breed bro to sis ....
    you could keep one from a diffrent twin in the litter ...
    then you have 2 different genes to breed with ....
    just tip just tip just tip
    more twins i see in the litter more i like it
  9. Hachiman

    Hachiman Big Dog

    I made a brother/sister breeding with my SAMURAI dog. Iliked the results so much I did the same breeding 2 more times.
  10. therealjudge

    therealjudge CH Dog

    Did you have similar results each time?
  11. deadgam33

    deadgam33 CH Dog

    Breeding looks good hachiman gotta love them jeep redboy dogs
  12. bounty

    bounty Big Dog

    The facts about bro sis breedings,

    1. both the bro and the sis are made up of 50% the father and 50% the mother.
    Now if both siblings are identical meaning they have the same genes from the mother and the same genes from the father (not including the sex genes) then when you breed them together you will get a very consistent litter with all offspring looking and acting the same (within reason) because they are the same genetically the offspring cannot have variation.

    Now lets imagine the opposite scenario where both bro and sis have no shared genes. So they look and act totally different and of the 100% of the fathers genes half go into the son and the other half go into the daughter (unlikely but possible) and same goes for the mothers genes, of her 100% of genes 50% go to the son and the other 50% goes to the daughter. (side fact: both siblings will get the mitochondria from the mother not the father.) Anyway, if they don't have any similar genes, when you breed them together you will get a litter where some pups look like the father and some look like the mother and the rest will be somewhere between both parents.

    So to answer your question, it will depend on the bro and sis you breed and the only way to truly find out is to do it. But be wary of structural and mental weaknesses before you do it. Because bad selection is bad selection whether out-crossing or inbreeding.
  13. brickduke

    brickduke Pup

    That desert rat breeding might not be the best example of bro/sis breeding since they were already related. In the third gen theirs only 4 diff dogs and there could be 8. Not surprising they had so many problems and didn't really work. That being said if the great grandparents are unrelated or not as related then a brother sis breeding could work great to preserve a line. I agree with old timer and people must realize they both need to be good dogs and the line needs to be high % or else your wasting time
  14. Furious_Ford

    Furious_Ford Big Dog

    But after all it is a bro/sis breeding, & an good example of what could happen if you went too tight with that bros/sister breeding...which was my point, & not meant to take anything away from 2 way, & 3 way cross(loosely bred) bro/sis breedings, which btw is something I still would not do for my own reasons!!!
  15. stinkrock

    stinkrock Top Dog

    It must of if he did it 3 times in all.
  16. TDK

    TDK CH Dog Staff Member

    This question calls for a complex answer. It's all situational and about your knowledge of why you would make any certain breeding, and it should be based and reasoned upon that knowledge. I suggest referring to one or more of the 405904957033505979 threads we have on this subject already.
  17. bounty

    bounty Big Dog

  18. Furious ford that desert rat breeding is not a good inbreed they are more than one hound inbread in his peds plus they are all related listen this is my hound willies fonzie pedigree google it i dont know how to post it up here check it out and let me know wht u think and hes smart as a mf drive for days and loves to please i mean please and stupid mouth check him out fellows but with that desert rat breeding i can see why all they nutz are not showing up
  19. sy82nj

    sy82nj Top Dog

    lol it is called inbreeding google it
  20. ziggy311

    ziggy311 Big Dog

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