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Chasing Dead Dogs

Discussion in 'Breeder Discussion' started by Naustroms, Feb 3, 2010.

  1. Its just crazy man aint it...
    space age shit.
  2. Aparentley according to link-they are more brighter!(link is hugely inacurate i might add..and got his source of them being brighter of gard dog trainers from Korea.)

    AGK....i can imagine em to act retarded.
  3. F.W.K.

    F.W.K. CH Dog

    Let we clone Adam and Eva and start all over again.
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  4. :)):)):)):)):))

    Some fucker probs already has lol.
    nothing would suprise me no more mate.honestly.

    I read something ages ago about Hitler being cloned..
    no doubt that was a lie lol...
    but some loons have got mad ideas lol.

    and ide rather clone Noah rather then Adam and Eve to be honest.
  5. LOL.
  6. AGK

    AGK Super duper pooper scooper Administrator

    Same here, them 2 made bad decisions. Lol
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  7. AGK

    AGK Super duper pooper scooper Administrator

    Great thread worth a bump.
  8. Ssdd

    Ssdd CH Dog

    Ok I've been up pushing 20 hours, worked over half of them without a break lol

    Chasing dead dogs to an extent is perfectly OK.... wanting tight "so and so" dog is perfectly ok. Getting 7,000 x eli in one ped is perfectly OK. If your dogs fit your yard, purpose, and criteria while being bred as tightly or loosely as you want who the fuck is the next man to say you're doing anything wrong?

    I myself am guilty of "chasing dead dogs" obviously the one "you're chasing" was worth you chasing it/trying to reproduce it. I don't see an issue with it as long as you're honest with yourself about what you're breeding, doing, and trying to achieve fuck anyone else and what they say.
  9. Which asks the question, are the best dogs of today better than the best dogs of the past or is it just a case of the men behind the dogs being more advanced?

    True, the whole idea when making a breeding is to hopefully try & improve on what you have, but, when you choose a dog to base your yard on you are basically chasing this dog, wanting the traits it possesses. Of course, if you had a magic wand you would do that, keep the traits you search for in the dog you are chasing and add in traits that it may lack, that's the whole purpose isn't it. But, and it's a big but, nothing is black & white and humans don't go the text book, most people will still breed the offspring off the dog you are chasing even if they aren't 100% what you aimed to create.

    As for if dogs are better, it's really hard to judge with these dogs, as the metric is impossible to judge, it's not like greyhound racing where the stopwatch can show if you're making improvements, in this game it's all subjective and impossible to really prove. Surely the aim is to chase the future, not dead dogs?
  10. slim12

    slim12 Super Moderator Staff Member

    On average, the best dogs of today are equal to those of yesterday, and vice versa. I doubt one era of dogs out performs any other era.

    As a whole, the dogs of today are far inferior to the dogs of yesterday.

    With the advances in knowledge, the advances in nutrition and the advances in supplementation the dogs of today should be light years ahead of the dogs of yesterday/yesteryear.

    If Dibo, Chinaman, Zebo, Panther, Molly Bee, Andy Capp had the advantages of what is known today vs. what was not known back then theory says they should have been better. Crow, and Ali Baba and Balboa and others should be ten times the dogs of the Capps and Zebos and Chinamans.

    The difference? Back then the overwhelming majority of people who owned dogs actually did dogs. The percentages of game dogs may or may not be higher in one era or the other, but for sure the dogs were checked/looked at on a much higher percentage back then. Basic math, fewer dogs and more being checked/looked at equals a higher percentage of dogs actually being dogs.

    The only thing in the current era that has advanced more than the knowledge of medicines, nutrition and supplementation is the ability to sell puppies. There are tons more bulldogs out there now than there were there before and in percentages far less people actually doing dogs.

    In the history of the dogs there is no dead dog that has ever been chased like Red Boy. Pick any person on this board (or any other forum) and let them advertise the very best dog they ever owned, seen, bred or created, regardless of owner and regardless of dog/blood and let them post their very best for sale. Then look for one of the million ads for a 'pure Red Boy breeding'. Guess which one garners the most hits and replies and emojis for fire?

    Is there anything wrong with chasing dead dogs? Nope, whatever floats your boat. You feed'em and you can breed'em.

    On all the topics similar to these about breeding, peddling or chasing dead dogs I think back to being 10-11 years old and sitting in a barn with a bunch of old dudes (35-40 was old and ancient when I was ten). You could call a guy every known SOB to man, you could trash him to no end and the most piercing thing that could ever be said was, 'he just sells puppies'. As the old folks would say, 'them thar are fightin' words'.

    As I look thru the dog forums on social media I just get the feeling the number of dogs being done compared to the dogs being bred is at as amazingly low percentage compared to yesteryear.

    Regardless of the math, in both eras a good dog is a good dog and I doubt neither good dog is better nor worse based on their respective eras. One era just has a lesser peer group.

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  11. che

    che Top Dog

    I remember a legend asking and saying, are these dogs today relevant t in our dogs ? He said not that much so I don't care that much too. It would only if I had sperm of the dog
  12. ben brockton

    ben brockton CH Dog

    If one is chasing dead dogs. Something went wrong and it's time to start over lol
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  13. Ssdd

    Ssdd CH Dog

    All ima say is everyone I know is a "eli" "redboy" "rb/j" "bolio" "b/t" etc etc etc "guy"

    How long them dogs been worm food?
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  14. AGK

    AGK Super duper pooper scooper Administrator

    People sure do like to use dogs that been dead for decades to explain to others what they feed.

    "I got eli or I got redboy dogs" etc.

    I always say I have geachiman dogs when asked but when they end up saying, "what's that"? I'll just end up saying eli /bolio/ Boyles type dogs to be generic and they're almost always like "oh yea ok". Like they know what I'm talking about Lol.

    I typically prefer to just call my dogs geachiman dogs. Eli or bolio aren't even relevant genetically in my dogs and Ron aint had shit to do with my dogs. However, People seem to recognize generic labels rather than a name that unless you are from the southern swamps, probably never even hard of like the Geachiman dogs or unless you've been across from one before..

    I got a guy that always used to ask me, "how many times do I have Dirty Mary in my dogs" or "how many times I have this dog or that one in my pedigrees" and I was always like who TF cares or has that kind of time in their day to 1. Even care about that shit to begin with and 2. Sit there and actually count them up on pedsonline. That shit was always goofy to me. Irrelevant and from a breeding standpoint totally irrelevant. Other than nostalgia, I have no idea why people still say they got dogs that been dead for 40 or more years.
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  15. Ssdd

    Ssdd CH Dog

    Tdk used to use the term "key bred".... not too tight, not too loose, using multiple ways crossed and bred off an individual....

    That's how I see "my yard"... we're "key bred" on 1 individual but bringing them multiple different ways..
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  16. I suppose though, in these dogs certain individuals can have quite a strong genetic influence years down the line if the dogs are bred pretty tight, it's not like humans where just about all genetic influence is lost pretty sharp because of admixture.
  17. che

    che Top Dog

    Exactly the other version off what I said in my earlier post.
  18. che

    che Top Dog

    I remember what @slim12 told about what Mr Mim said about dogs in past and dogs now and agree with that. When he said that people think that when breeder changes and that the blood still stay same but it's not. Because we all have different eyes and we all see things in different ways we all select for different reasons. We can try to think at same way we can do all in possibility to do the same but it wouldn't..

    I still remember I readed here some where that if some got 4 dogs from a breeder, and bred the two pairs breeder might would have bred the two pairs the opposite way. @slim12 and more people have said this when you are breeding someone else's dogs of you miss early you miss forever. But you will miss forever. Maybe you will get good dogs they will make you happy but they will be different from the original. Dogs changes true selections. Even if u would have the money the clone a dog you will have a look a like but not a same one.
  19. But, if you're basing your yard on a particular dog you only include dogs with the traits you desire for the breeding program? That's the theory, but, as you know, humans often stray from the textbook, people are easily swayed.
  20. che

    che Top Dog

    I see where you want to go but your dogs will change each generation that's why u try to improve always. Different breeders line bred different ways with different cross yet had a single common dog they were all based on.

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