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I see stories where they say their dog just snapped

Discussion in 'Dog Discussion' started by daisymason, Aug 9, 2023.

  1. Not talking about here but I see where dogs have attacked their owners. You get the usual, "I had it since a puppy", and "it never showed any signs", etc

    Basically they say out of the blue their dog decides to maul them at 5 years old where it never caused issues before.

    Do you think that probably happens due to poor breeding, poor upbringing, or maybe a combination of both?

    Reason I'm wondering, I've had some intense pitbulls, intense rotties, and other breeds and not one has ever tried to maul me. Ive gotten some attitude from one the first couple months I owned him, but he warmed up to me and was my buddy until he passed away from old age.

    Aren't those dogs giving signs and warnings that probably get overlooked? I could understand if they had a health issue, but most say it was out of the blue in their happy healthy dogs.
     
  2. ben brockton

    ben brockton CH Dog

    First sign is always the teeth lol
     
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  3. Pullingcovers

    Pullingcovers Top Dog

     
  4. Michele

    Michele CH Dog Super Moderator

    There is always a sign
     
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  5. slim12

    slim12 Super Moderator Staff Member

    I got my first pit bull dog around 1979 and have owned a ton of them and seen/been around tons more and with that said, I have only owned one that showed people aggression.

    I believe they give signs and sometimes they are overt and sometimes they are subtle. Sometimes so subtle, they are missed/overlooked.

    I had a male that I believe was show quality. My work causes me to feed in the dark sometimes. I walked in his spot and he put his mouth on my boot/calf and I thought he was playing. I brushed him off with the feed scoop, rubbed him and fed him. No biggie. The next night he put his mouth on my calf and I can't say it was a growl, but it was noise, and put just enough pressure to let me know he was there. Again, these were signs, and I looked right past them mostly because these dogs are bred to 'naturally do things that are not natural'. I expect some crazy. I crowned him on the head with the feed scoop, rubbed him and rough housed with him and then fed him.

    The third night he met me at the end of the chain, all teeth and snapping as I came to what he thought was his spot. I had often explained it to him that he was just renting but he must have forgot.

    From there I thought back on all the things he had did, and all the things we did together. I can honestly say I never seen the signs. I feel like they were there but I just missed them. That first night the sign did not get my attention. The second night I was like WTF is up with you. The third night he left no doubts.

    Great topic for discussion.

    S
     
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  6. F.W.K.

    F.W.K. CH Dog

    Had a very friendly dog who hated a guy who sometimes came by. When the dog saw him, he became furious and the man really couldn't get near the dog. There was a hint of bad karma around the man, which was later confirmed after certain events. So was a dog with more human knowledge than I did in that period of time long ago.
     
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  7. bamaman

    bamaman GRCH Dog

    I've got a customer who's dog snapped on him and he claims no signs but prob overlooked and this guy lucky be amongst the living. He called it a Pit Bull but don't mean it was and he let the dog free roam with his hounds .He scolded one of his hounds one day with the hat that he wears and the dog went off for 20 mins on him and just stopped like a light switch at about the 20 min mark. After that he went laid on the porch for a nap like nothing ever happened. I saw this guy couple months after and damage was bad bad .
     
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  8. oldguy

    oldguy CH Dog

    When I bought the 'Spider' female from Lonzo Pratt Sr in 1988. Pan Am flight 109 had just gone down over Lockerbie. Lonzo asked what will you do if the plane carrying your bitch goes down somewhere over the Atlantic? I told him "better that than somebody stealing her", he just laughed and said "nobody stealing that one son!".. The fckr bit me on first day I met her and it took another 2 months of patience, cowardice, cheese bribery and self defence skills before I could be at ease around her, even then she'd nail me soon as myback was turned and tried to leave her.. Spider would clown around, wag her tail and let you pet her inside her chain space, but the very moment anyone attempted to leave her.. Bang! I warned numerous dogmen about her, some thought they knew better until 35 lb 0f black demon was hanging off their leg, shaking fck out of them!

    spider (2).jpg
     
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  9. Michele

    Michele CH Dog Super Moderator

    @oldguy LMAO...cheese bribery and self defense skills..
     
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  10. slim12

    slim12 Super Moderator Staff Member

    Sometimes I think we give things certain degrees and changeable definitions to give ourselves the warm fuzzies. I had another male once that was a Bolio bred dog on top and a Mims/Eli bred bitch on the bottom. We called him Big Baby.

    If he was coming off the chain, he knew what time it was, and he knew what was going to happen. First red flag is I should have taken him on and off the chain a thousand times, so it became more normal for him. I did not do that, and when I touched his collar, he was ready for business.

    My buddy and I joked he had to be mugged on and off the chain. Once off and moving forward he had zero issues. If 'he didn't think the collar was coming off fast enough' he would turn around and speed you up with a nip/attempt at a bite.

    Some consider this as human aggression and some would not stand for it. I altered the definition to fit what I wanted it to be and I considered it just him trying to do the un-natural things I was asking.

    Bulldog definitions are seldom rigid and seldom boring.

    S
     
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  11. bamaman

    bamaman GRCH Dog

    I got one that kinda worries me, leave his chain spot and he likes to wrap his front legs around you to keep you from leaving.That has always made me a little nervous bit I carry a small pistol in my pocket at all times. This particular dog likes to play though and has a stick in his mouth every time you walk up to him.
     
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  12. oldguy

    oldguy CH Dog

    I once near got killed off a Boyles/Jeep/Redboy/Mason's Hog bred 50lb male, I've mentioned the incident on here before I think.. Truth is I missed the signs and acted over confident around a new adult male in the camp.. Thought I was Maurice Carver but I wasn't.
     
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  13. tomjones2

    tomjones2 Big Dog

    Nice thread, @oldguy they don’t much prettier than that Spider bitch !
     
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  14. I've been lucky with pitbulls, they all were pretty mellow with me and other people. I've had some very strong super rough rotties over the years, not your typical couch potato ones, but luckily never was an issue with getting hurt.

    I had a male Johnson american bulldog. That dog was a beast, and just wasn't wired up right. The only dog I've had that I thought would try to kill me one day. He never did but man that dog was scary. He meant business and made sure I knew it. Ended up getting him fixed He never tried to kill me but I was on alert with him.

    Every other American bulldog I've had was stable and friendly with family and welcomed guests but that one wasn't playing with a full deck
     
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  15. chili

    chili Big Dog

    Most folks can’t understand their own native tongue, much less a dogs signs/warnings till it bites them.

    Sometimes the signs are very subtle.
     
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  16. Michele

    Michele CH Dog Super Moderator

    You really have to "read" the dog before the dog acts. I was walking my K-9 bomb dog and the super of the building (he's a real asshole) was outside. I already knew my dog was gonna go for him. As soon as I saw the hairs stand up on his back I knew. First, it was his tail, then the hair standing up.

    Read their language....their ears, their tails, their positioning. Honestly, every dog owner should learn dog language.
     
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  17. slim12

    slim12 Super Moderator Staff Member

    Agreed.

    I believe the dogs give the signals but I also believe they can be so subtle they can go unnoticed.

    I missed some with the Boyles dog and I am appreciative he chose to give me some not-so-subtle signs before he decided to bite me.

    On the other end of the spectrum I have had Filas that would tear a door down or break pane glass windows to get to someone.

    The overt ones are much easier to handle.

    Just like life, it is the sneaky bastards that get over on you.

    S
     
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  18. Does anybody know of lonzo blood in 2023
     
  19. the Poles have some kennels where they keep dogs with Lonzo blood (Krys, Rezanowitz, Sambo kennels .. ) and the KSP (King Size Pitbulls) kennel in Greece .. I know of such in Europe.
     
  20. CopperOFRN

    CopperOFRN Big Dog

    Bottom line is dogs are still animals no matter how much we try to personify them. We often misinterpret simple things such as sitting at/on your feet as an act of love when in reality it’s a dominance/possession behavior. Then you have the issue of a dog being in pain that often gets overlooked because they don’t bitch much. I had a dog that anytime he had an ear infection he was super aggressive, but he didn’t do the typical head shake or scratch. I have dealt with what I would call completely neurotic animals that were pretty unreadable. Could’ve been the way they were bred, or an unknown underlying health issue, etc. I’d say 95% of the time there is usually a sign that goes unnoticed or a trigger the owner was unaware of.
     

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