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They go after the wrong dogs

Discussion in 'Dog Discussion' started by daisymason, Jul 8, 2023.

  1. The laws and policies go after the wrong dogs. I see on the news they mention pitbulls attacking people and look for ways to stop it.
    The only pitbulls I see attacking people are the 80 or 90+ lb mass monsters. Many attacks are probably mixed with other breeds. Not saying it’s never happened but I don’t see game dogs attacking people like the bigger human aggression ones that run loose in my neighborhood and cause issues.

    A neighbors game dog got loose and he passed 3 children playing on a playground, around 10 adults walking, and he didn’t bite anyone.
    A week later a bully got loose and bit a woman walking down the street. It was an unprovoked attack.

    Curious why gamedogs get the bad wrap when they cause the least amount of issues.
     
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  2. Michele

    Michele CH Dog Super Moderator

    A well bred APBT will not attack people. They are usually dog aggressive, which is a normal genetic trait. Most people think that if it looks like a pitbull, it is a pitbull.
     
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  3. Ssdd

    Ssdd CH Dog

    Most well bred apbt* there's been more than one that will light someone's ass up too....
     
  4. AGK

    AGK Super duper pooper scooper Administrator

    I wouldn't say that they WILL not. I'd say, they are maybe less likely too...

    You walk in my front door unexpected and Isreal/Charlie/Puro/Max or Jackie is loose in here, they'll mess you up. Lol. Outside in their kennels, they aren't all that friendly with strangers either. Like any dog, they can be just as protective of their environment as any other breed can. In my case, they only ever see me or my daughter so none of them, with the exception of Pumpkin, is really socialized to people at all. That tends to make them look at you like the stranger in the yard that dont belong there and a potential threat in their eyes. Even my one friend who's here periodically often gets reminded and checked by one of them occasionally. Like any other dog breed, if you don't socialize them with people they ain't going to be all that people friendly. I know a ton of these dogs that will fuck you up if you reach the wrong way towards their owner. I never trust a dog to not be a dog regardless of breed. They are Apex predators with 42 sharp teeth. They most certainly can, and do at times, bite people.

    I do agree that the majority of the bites reported though are not acutally APBT. Most people that say they have a Pit Bull don't really have an APBT. They have some mixed concoction of it and to the general public, there isn't any difference.
     
  5. slim12

    slim12 Super Moderator Staff Member

    I agree that most of the dogs are mixes of sorts but the APBT usually gets all the credit.

    It just works that way because it is a real easy fit to the narrative. All pit bulls rip the faces off children. It is just facts. All you have to do is ask the uninformed or the person with no real knowledge and they will tell you about the pit bull and its child maiming tendencies.

    S
     
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  6. ben brockton

    ben brockton CH Dog

    Got teeth then it bites. Was at a rest area about 11pm pitch black and a guy I knew walked up on me from behind. This little bitch fired up and try to take his head off. Literally had to handle to save a lawsuit. This bitch went to screaming and punched 3 holes in my arm. Same bitch in the daytime pretty chill. Night time a damn vampire. Don't be trusting these dogs for shit. They are what they are.
     
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  7. slim12

    slim12 Super Moderator Staff Member

    BB is spot on. They have been bred to do unnatural things for hundreds of years. They are bred to do things no one can actually explain.

    So at times they will do what we don't expect.

    When we choose not to expect it, we git bit in the ass. Both literally and/or figuratively.

    It just works that way.

    S
     
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  8. GrChHaunch

    GrChHaunch Top Dog

    IME, this is a myth. 2 of the 3 dogs I owned had zero tolerance for assholess and would tear your arm off if it needed to be done. One excelled at Schutzhund protection work. All were pretty great w/ kids and people I knew. One nearly took out the local crackhead.

    My current dog is still a pup, about to hit 13 months. I was going to do some work with her but work got too busy with work. However the other day our yard guy....who she has never seen came into the back yard w/ the weed trimmer. She was on a tie out and fired up like crazy with bad intent.

    I think people like to over estimate the "they are only dog aggressive" part but that has only been my limited experience.
     
  9. slim12

    slim12 Super Moderator Staff Member

    I have been in and around these dogs, first hand, since I was 10-11 years old. Some 40+ years later I have had one dog that showed aggression to a human. I gave him a vitamin that prevents human aggression.

    I have been around dogs who have been kept in all kinds of ways, from pampered like a king to tied out in a garbage dump, from fed and watered like world class athletes to half ass fed and to filled with worms and covered with fleas, and most everywhere in between.

    I am no expert by any means and would never tell another what he owns or what he has seen.

    With that said, the percentage of these dogs that are human aggressive are extremely low and the percentage of these dogs that will defend their owner is even lower.

    I would be willing to bet your dog fires up if you get the weedeater. One of the better dogs I ever seen would not work his way out of a wet paper bag but if the weedeater or push mower was fired up he spun the mill like it was no tomorrow. Jackson's Son was the dog all the old timers said would have stopped GRCH Spike dead in his tracks lost his foot attacking a push mower. It is prey drive. It is moving and making noise. My Beagles do the same.

    I am sure they are out there but maybe over these forty plus years I didn't stick my hand in the right place to find out.

    Not sure.

    To go down a shitty rabbit hole as evidence, these dogs are the easiest dog in the world to steal. Rub them on the head and they will willingly ride shotgun wherever you want to go.

    S
     
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  10. AGK

    AGK Super duper pooper scooper Administrator

    People often confuse human aggression with the dog just being a dog. There's a huge difference between the 2.
     
  11. F.W.K.

    F.W.K. CH Dog

    They have to bite when necessary. The smarter ones know exactly that.

    Could one beat his dogs, the news that one of those beasts stopped taking a beating and bit him in the hospital was pure justice.

    Education, socialization, how bred, etc. all contribute to the final character of a dog.
     
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  12. chili

    chili Big Dog

    Dogs of any breed have the potential to be human aggressive. Whether it be genetics, environment, or one-off mental issues (tumors, undetectable/detectable seizures, etc.).

    You are right… The reality is the general public has likely never seen an American pitbull terrier in the flesh and never will.
     
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  13. slim12

    slim12 Super Moderator Staff Member

    I had Fila Brasileiros for a number of years. They are one of the more unstable, defensively driven weak nerved breed there is out there. They are selected and bred because the ones that have the weakest amount of nerve and working ability usually show the most "ojeriza". A Brazillian term that can be translated into the aversion to strangers all the way to the hatred of strangers. The sorrier the speciment the more they are smiled upon.

    I left home knowing that if someone kicked in my door more than likely I would find them in a pile when I returned home. So much so they were a liability to own.

    I had a female that would crash the front door after people in the front yard and my relatives would say, "you know he has those pit bulls in the back yard". I am not sure they ever truly understood the irony in their thinking.

    I took a Fila Brasileiro and a Snooty/Molly Bee bred female to SC to try the Hog Dog rodeo as it was 'something to do with the dogs'. The Fila community was appalled I would try such a thing and the female who failed their 'conformation standards' she caught like a champ in a hog pen. They let the pig go and my match quality pit bull turned her head and looked at me like, "WTF is that?". The bulldog was the sweetest dog in the world and there is not a person on the planet that could not take her off the chain and ride.

    My buddy and I staged break ins at our houses and most of the Filas did well. They defended as designed/hoped. I tried a couple different bulldogs and they had zero interest in protecting me or the house or anything. He had a 1XW Boyles male and he ran to the door of the next room. He had a male Fila that barked but chose not to engage.

    I just have not seen bulldogs as defenders of anything. I am sure they exist I just have not had those experiences.

    S
     
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  14. kiwidogman

    kiwidogman Top Dog

    Bit him in the hospital, great phrase, even it’s a miss-translation. I’m going to use it
     
  15. AGK

    AGK Super duper pooper scooper Administrator

    http://www.apbt.online-pedigrees.com/modules.php?name=Public&file=printPedigree&dog_id=308023

    This was my first APBT. He made it to 4 years old. He was game with no talent, no mouth, no real ability but he was scratching every time and like a bullet. However, if he was loose in the house or in public without a dog in front of him and you weren't myself, my son or my ex wife, you were in real danger around him. Went through 2 windows after my mailman. Also went after one of my friends who, when he got latched onto, was lucky he was wearing a triple fat goose coat at the time as Capone had him by his elbow shaking him. Went after anything that moved including children other than my son. He was a total nightmare looking back in hindsight.

    One time after I split from my wife and was living in an upstairs apartment I came home to 2 fire trucks, 3 police cruisers and a gang of my neighbors outside of my house. This Dickhead was on my roof barking insanely at everyone looking up at him. My landlord said he went up to my apartment, opened the door with his key to try and get the dog back in the house. He said that dog came flying through my living room window (which was how he got on the porch roof to begin with) like superman after him. He quickly shut the door and called the police. This dog was what I would consider a real human aggressive dog. It didn't matter if you were 5 years old or 90, male or female, he let you know what time it was if he was able to make contact with you. Don't kid yourselves, they are out there Especially if they have been encouraged to do so. I did however sleep very good at night living in some pretty bad neighborhoods knowing that if you could get something out of my house with him in it, you were more than welcomed to take it. Lmao.

    Once I bought my first house and had home owners insurance, he was too much of a liability so he had to get put down.

    I remember one time, I was selling 2 pups to some guys from Wisconsin and I was in the back of the house showing them the litter. I heard my ex wife yelling so I went out to see what was going on. My neighbor decided to come over drunk and was going back and fourth with her about my car alarm going off the night before. By the time I got to the front of the house, Like 10 to 15 of my neighbors were all outside bickering about dumb shit to my ex ( none of them liked us for whatever reason ). This drunk fool tried to grab the door open out my ex wifes hand. That's when I got there and seen all the people around my house agitated. I told her go get Capone, like as in for show. This bitch leashed him and came right out the house with him all fired up and ready to hurt something. I never seen someone go down 8 steps so fast before. The entire group parted like the red sea and went home. My ex would have definitely let him bite someone.

    On one hand they can be useful on the other they are a huge liability. I made a lot of mistakes with him that I never repeated. I got a ton of stories about that asshole. :))
     
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  16. chili

    chili Big Dog

    Man thanks for sharing that story and experience AGK. Your first one gave you a game test so to speak… to stick it out with dogs after that, especially to the level you have achieved is incredible. Big Props to you as always.

    Slim, always dig your insight, experience and knowledge as well. Thank you.

    already shared my story about my first and only
    one turned out to be HA in another thread. I had to put him down at the young age of 18 months. Dude was my pride and joy… he used to scream like a banshee for me when I came home from work early in the morning waking up the whole house and half the neighborhood. But he might fire up for gently petting him 4x instead of 3 or accidentally making split second eye contact. When he wasn’t losing his mind, I Had some of the best times with that dog.
     
  17. Revelator

    Revelator Big Dog

    The baddest dog we had would also sink his bite deep inside you if not careful. Have seen him do it, a few times.
     
  18. F.W.K.

    F.W.K. CH Dog

    Haha yes stupid slip of the tongue but funny. An HA dog is not very useful if you consider what they were bred for in the first instance. Dangerous and you get a lot of unwanted attention.
     
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  19. AGK

    AGK Super duper pooper scooper Administrator

    Very dangerous and cops will certainly end up showing up. I'd say even more so than a lot of other breeds simply because of their inherited tenacity. These days I have zero tolerance for it. My brothers dog, who was a nephew of the one I posted was even worse. In both cases it was our fault. Didn't know any better at the time and they were both encouraged from pups to be that way. I didn't meet wardog, which is a funny story in itself until I had dogs for about 3 years already. He helped showed me the correct way to bring them up correctly and work them properly. Some can just take it to a totally different level. Most will never be that way because most wouldn't encouraged the behavior.
     
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  20. slim12

    slim12 Super Moderator Staff Member

    The Filas are just like the bulldog you described.

    My wife came home once and our front door would not open but an inch and was jammed on something. She used the back door and the entire front side of our hour was destroyed. The door facing had been pulled down and the trim work was pulled into the door opening. All the curtains, all the shades and all the plants were tossed around in the living room, the dining room and the 1st bedroom. A television was knocked over and several windows were crakced.

    We figured it was the female Fila but not sure why.

    To date the time, we had a housephone with an answering machine. LOL "We don't know what you have in there but UPS will not be delivering to your address any longer".

    I believe it is better to be judged by twelve than carried by six so I kept the Filas for a long time as they served a singular purpose. The liability is huge.

    S
     
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