Tight breeding question

It depends on how tight and how tightly that particular family/strain handles being inbred/tightly bred.

Some families can get triple bred off the same dog and not show defects or shortcomings. Sometimes a father-daughter breeding is shit-city.

The best answer is almost, "log back in two years from now and you tell me".

Not being a smart ass, just it is one of those questions that have a lot of variables and a lot of subjective insight.

S

 

Add a buck-fifty to my opinion and you might be able to buy a can soda........

I think your end goal is far more a result of the dog's environment and upbringing than whether it is inbred or not.

99.9% of these dogs are great people dogs.

I have had one dog in 30+ years with people aggression issues.

Every dog but that one would load up and leave with anyone willing to rub the them on the head.

S

 

When the super-duper inbred dogs perform very well the first question is, "which one of the pieces of this puzzle is not really bred as advertised?".

Funny how that works. Looking back I wish I had bred more dogs, for one, I feel like we would have made some more good dogs, but two, I would have some deeper insight into these conversations. I feel like I do know some things, but it is from the outside looking in and that is not the best way to 'know things in these dogs'.

I think inbreeding has to go back to selection. I don't think I can go buy two super inbred dogs from a person who had 10-15-20 years of experience with that strain of dogs, breed them and get the same thing. The first breeding I would think is my best chance at success. But making the same decisions and the selection process with the offspring as the original 'inbreeder' will not be all that easy. Even if I continue to inbreed on the offspring I will get further and further away from the source although my paperwork will say I am now a 'source'.

There is a relatively well known breeder in the Carolinas that spent a lot of money to become one of the well known breeders in the Carolinas. I had a yard full of dogs off a Patrick bred male. All total outcrosses but that male cookie-cut/stamped every one of his puppies, both male and female. The female changed up the colors of her puppies but off him they were all about the same size, same shape, carried themselves the same way and as far as identification purposes, every single one of them barked the same way.

This well known breeder bred to him three times and did not get puppies with either of the two bitches. Two years later I walked his yard and I can say I did not need a DNA test to know what I was seeing (hearing). He talked pedigrees as we walked. I had that inner chuckle on four of the dogs that were 'inbred' on his strain of dogs as I had a yard full of carbon copies.

15 years later those dogs are the link between the source and the inbred dogs of today. Those dogs were carried out and the next couple of generations after that were out there getting it. On this board and on other forums people post pedigrees from that well known breeder to prove that super duper inbred dogs can get it done.

Again, the inner chuckle.

S

 

I have had Mims dogs for years which are basically a three way cross. For whatever reason, they seem to mix with anything. Instead of using the Mims as Red Boy-Snooty-Bolio we use them as Mims. We then go Mims to an out and back to Mims. It gets sort of scatter bred looking but seems to work pretty good.

Another for what ever reason, when we went Mims out and then again to that same family of out, it did not seem to work as well.

Go figure.

S

 

Yep! For working dogs half siblings really works IF you have a quality stud. Female family inbreeding is the key to building a quality bloodline.
Full brother x sister inbreedings produce dogs with behavioral problems in my experience, doesn’t mean they can’t be useful just crazy.