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This is why I don't breed dogs..LOL

Discussion in 'Dog Discussion' started by slim12, Dec 15, 2020.

  1. slim12

    slim12 Super Moderator Staff Member

    Female.. http://apbt.online-pedigrees.com/modules.php?name=Public&file=printPedigree&dog_id=459053

    Male.. http://apbt.online-pedigrees.com/modules.php?name=Public&file=printPedigree&dog_id=539946

    Shitty heat cycle. Bleeds for two to three days. Stops. Never flags. Aggravating as shit.

    Last time in 'heat' I tried to breed her to this male. He mounted, dove off her back and attacked the leash. Fought it like a hide with her in the stand all booted up. Would not mount or stroke after that.

    Fast forward six months to yesterday. Same thing. Bleed for two to three days. Stop bleeding and never flag. I took her to have the progesterone test yesterday and she was spot on ready to go. I brought her home, put her in the stand and slid her to the male. He sniffed, then licked, and then reached down with the incredible mouth he possess he bit the bottom of the breeding stand. He and I then started a ten minute tug of war that damn near choked her out which was a good thing because she did not have fucking on the mind.

    This morning I carried her and did an AI and will do the same thing again in the morning. It's only $30 and all natural is not an option right now.

    Either I do this or I am Indian leg wrestling with two dogs trying to kill each other instead of do each other and it is always the day after it rains. I got mud and dog jism all over me.

    All in the sake of having a fucking puppy.

    Woe is me. Woe is me. LOL

    But other than that all is well.

    S
     
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  2. AGK

    AGK Super duper pooper scooper Administrator

    Lol the joys of breeding dogs. :))
     
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  3. GK1

    GK1 Big Dog

    Spoke with my mentor the other day about the small litter I just had and the slightly larger one previously. Said he has inexplicably had one puppy litters, and entire large litters die on him..and breeding in general “isn’t for pussies”. Read some other anecdotes about c-sections, retention of dead pups, mom eating pups and some other dreadful things related to whelp and pups. I never set about to be a breeder, just happened naturally; with mom no worse for the wear either time. She was worked hours before whelping, the day after, and every day since. So maybe I stop while I’m ahead.
     
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  4. Keep going GK

    Had me in hysterics your post slim.
     
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  5. corvettedex

    corvettedex CH Dog

    Slim, your just having some bad luck. . Keep on keeping on, and you will succeed.
     
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  6. slim12

    slim12 Super Moderator Staff Member

    I doubt it. There is no future in this shit. LOL

    S


     
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  7. San Siro

    San Siro Big Dog

    Oh man that sucks. Good that there is the AI function.

    I drove 2 times my female in heat for more then 15 hours one way in 2 heat cycles. Both males were working dogs and were ready to produce, my female, not so much, wanted to kill them and not have it. It was hell to hook her 3 times in 6 days.

    Result: 2 times not pregnant.
    Guess it wasn't meant to be. Now going for the AI too.
     
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  8. Thunder98

    Thunder98 Big Dog

    I feel you slim. Normally if the female is on my yard its a lot easier. It doesn't seem to matter if she is spot on or not if the female is brought to my yard...can be a straight disaster at times...
     
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  9. FrozenEli

    FrozenEli Top Dog

    Slim..... that is Nature's way of saying to much Redboy. Let me get one if she takes.:))
     
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  10. slim12

    slim12 Super Moderator Staff Member

    True. Maybe too many Red Boy traits. He is as singularly focused as any dog I have ever seen. Once he locks onto something in his head it is there for hours and he is relentless....relentless to the point it crosses over into stupidity. LOL

    I can lay a fresh cut rib eye steak, table scraps, dog food, grease soaked soup, anything that any other dog would drool over in his bowl and then wiggle his rope hanging out of a tree (garage door spring) and I have a brand new crisp $100 bill that says he goes for the rope. And will stay on the rope for the longest.

    If the wind blows and that rope moves he goes absolutely ape shit crazy. To the point the few people who have seen him are overly cautious, somewhat intimidated and maybe even a little fearful.

    I need to get my son to do a video. He can also do the canine version of the double dutch jump rope with his chain. Not exactly enough for a talent show but just a sign to show what a frikkin' re-re he can be.

    The only reason I am breeding him is I absolutely love the crazy in him. It aggravates me at times and if I were breeding him regularly he would lose his luster some but since I don't breed a lot of dogs I enjoy his mental issues.

    He is a one trick pony. Whatever he locks his mind on that is right in front of him gets his undivided attention for hours on end if need be.

    As I re-read what I post I think I may have those same mental issues. LOL

    S
     
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  11. Great post man...

    How do you put up with them mental ones?
     
  12. slim12

    slim12 Super Moderator Staff Member

    Along the same lines as saying "high risk-High reward" I suppose.

    I think I have said it like a thousand times but I am not a breeder. I remember those very same traits in dogs straight off red Boy way back when I was just a kid. And when I have seen those traits over the years those are dogs I held onto. Looking back, I wish I had bred a bunch of them so I could have a yard full of what I remember as a kid.

    JR was off Red Boy/Red Feather (littermate to Yellow John) and he was the most cotton mouth dog ever.

    Another was out of a Rattler to Brandi Girl male but I forget the bottom side. This dog could really bite.

    These dogs would walk to the other side of their chain spots, look back, make eye contact and make the hardest, truest scratch that two dogs ever made and WHAM! on one chain and POP! on the other. Every day, nearly every waken hour. And neither ever figured out that the distance of travel had already been determined by the chain. I suppose they were hoping in time they would get there.

    The true definition of insanity is doing the same things over and over and expecting a different response.

    These dogs were insane, by both the clinical definition and the dog man definition and as a kid it had me mesmerized.

    Nothing has really changed.

    I'm all about that singular focus no matter. The unwillingness to bend, much less break.

    I don't see it too often any more, I am sure it is out there, and even out there in some Red Boy dogs, but I don't get up and down the road like I once did.

    S
     
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  13. benthere

    benthere CH Dog Staff Member

    I found the same thing, the better the Redboy dogs the harder to breed and get pups, I likened it to ‘pushing water uphill’
    I tried a few times to breed CH Willy (deacon rom x Roxy rom) to Kari (deacon rom x assassinator rom) without luck so I definitely know where you’re coming from.
    Willy was frustrating, very hard to get bitches pregnant and get pups off him, definitely a Redboy trait he inherited from Deacon as he was the same way, but when you did get pups holy fuck...they were bulldogs!!!
     
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  14. ben brockton

    ben brockton CH Dog

    I believe part of the reason we like these dogs are they ain't like robots like other breeds. Sit stay eat and sleep. They keep ya on your toes and have a mind of their own. I dig the crazy as well lots of personally in the dogs.
     
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  15. slim12

    slim12 Super Moderator Staff Member

    Again, I believe the shit only happens at my house....

    S
     
  16. Fatman91

    Fatman91 Pup

    I'm not even going to bother trying natural breedings anymore... I Ai'd my last bitch with a kit i bought off eBay...stress free no excitment and she whelped a litter of 7 a few weeks ago
     
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  17. AGK

    AGK Super duper pooper scooper Administrator

    I've done a few by way of A.I. but I will always prefer a natural tie. I've never missed with breeding a dog, mine or other peoples but I've had to deal with a few challenges over the years while doing so. I typically win in the end though. Lol.

    The dog my yard revolves around was the worst dog I've experienced when breeding. Had to do everything for Geachison when being bred. Everytime he got bred it was a 3 hour ordeal. I usually more so have issues with the bitches not cooperating than I do the males though.
     
  18. slim12

    slim12 Super Moderator Staff Member

    For me the AI is the way to go.

    Maybe one day I will have dogs that I can get tied together and stand back to get a picture.

    I'm still on that plane of one's head tied to a tree and me Indian leg wrestling the other in the mud with enough jism on me that I should have more puppies than the bitch.

    S
     
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  19. benthere

    benthere CH Dog Staff Member

    CH Norton (GRCH FlashxWCC Edie) got everything knocked up we stuck him to, the Boyles/Bolio dogs in general were easy breeders other than being fight crazy. Norton was a specimen of a bulldog but extremely dangerous when excited, he didn’t care who or what was in his way, just getting him mounted was a bloody chore.
    Willy on the other hand would see the breeding stand and completely understand what was going on. He would stick the bitch, tie up and swing his leg over himself. Sadly very few bitches took after being bred to him.
    CH Norton was as close to an ace as most folks saw, a hard biting WCC/Bolio dog that never made a squirrelly move with a mouth most only dream of and unquestionably game. Honestly I don’t think Norton could’ve lasted a half hour with Willy though, Willy was that good at everything he did.
     
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  20. FrankDublin

    FrankDublin CH Dog

    That's a nice Mims breeding your doing
     

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