Percentage of Pit Bull in Boston Terrier?

I have read different histories of how Boston Terriers originated but essentially all of them say that Bostons were bred down from Pit Bulls (and crossed with French Bulldogs to get the flat face). Hooper's Judge is supposedly the base of Boston Terrier stock and he weighed around 28 lbs, which is small-APBT size. Quite a few of the imported Irish and English dogs were that small and smaller. A lot of 19th-century APBT photos show small dogs that greatly resemble Bostons with longer snouts and spines (people who have these photos, feel free to share them in this thread :cool: ). Historians, what say you?

 

I don't know much about the Boston Terriers but I had a uncle that raised them back in the 70 s and I saw one get loose and smash a good size mongrel..I was young at the time but very impressed lol.I have always wanted one for myself.I have heard of someone here in Alabama that actually has some Bostons that will catch hogs.

 

Pet owners who are unfamiliar with Bostons are often surprised at how fiery they can get around other, sometimes bigger dogs. I wonder if there are any game Bostons, like Patterdale-game. A dog that size that can catch hogs must have some guts to back up its fire.

 

Well that depends on your definition of game.And personally I don't want a real small dog on a hog.Small dog on a small hog is is one thing but a small dog on a big hog is too dangerous.I have saw some rough ass smaller dogs do good though.

 

In this context I mean working-terrier game, a dog that will go to ground and stick with quarry its own size and bigger, like Patterdales on badger and nutria. I wouldn't use Bostons on big hogs either because a 400 lb boar would inhale a Boston, but I would like to see how they do against a smaller pig.

 

Dont really care about those little skips but do know the most signaficant bulldog breeder of all times called his dogs boston bull terriers...
Trivia question???
WHOM THAT BE MR.THE KEEP BOOK DOT COM or send your parents on a charity vacation with fund raising donations from sellling other peoples keeps???
please do your research and get this right or flunk right out the class...

 

Actually I am Miss Keep Book Dot Com who wants to send her parents to a concert at the Hollywood Bowl because they remodeled my house for free. I don't make a lot of money selling other people's keeps because all of the keeps I sell are available free on the internet, which is where I found them. I used to sell a lot more when I advertised in the SDJ business card ads pre-2003 because many SDJ readers didn't go online. In fact, I got the idea from a letter in the Journal where the writer was complaining that he never got a book of keeps (not a single keep) that he had ordered from a dogman. The main thing I sell is shirts. If you want to know who I am, PM me and call me. You may not know my name (I'm a nobody because I don't campaign or breed dogs) but you will probably remember my ads if you have those Journal issues.

 

ELIASPISTOLA, check your PM's.

I forgot to include that the reason I sell the books at that price is that I have to print them on 3-hole punched paper, collate them, bind them, pack them and ship them Priority Mail. I would like to charge less for them because I could sell more of them. I wish I could find a small-batch printer who would print (not photocopy) them because if all I had to do was pack and ship them they would cost a lot less to distribute.

 

Never the less peddeling whats not yours, get a jobbbbbbbbbbb...
I dont care who you are and when I aksked whom might that be tkb...
I am asking you who the most significant breeder of any bulldog family in history(clue one) that called his bulldogs boston bull terriers in the early part of the century(clue two) and lived near Boston and imported some of his sock to the state of mass(clue three)???
Three clues plus and all your research into others keeps and you might have it and it should be a no/know brainer for you...
If you dont know this you shouldnt be selling others keeps as you dont know the history of our bulldogs...(another clue)...

 

I was hoping you would do some research and come back with no other than John P.Colby whom called his bulldogs of the Boston terrier type...
Even back in the early part of the century the act of pitting bulldog types was frowned down on and J.P.Colby referred to his dogs differntly than thos who boasted and this practice possibly helped the longevity of his passion that put him as the most signaficant bulldog breeder of all times...
back in the day gamedogs and pitdogs were of a type and came in differnt sizes looks and genetics,etc...
And yes plenty of seperate breeds and types contributed to our modern bulldogs and they did not come from a ORIGINAL BULLDOG but rather types crosses back and forth for the work they were utilized for...
Possibly the best book on this type of pit bulldogs and s piece of americana that cant be overlooked is Mr.G. Armitages thirty years with fighting dogs...
Page 9 states that his brother raised deaf brindle and white dog "DEAFY"from a good sized BOSTON TERRIER and a BULL TERRIER...
Thirty years with fighting dogs / by George C. Armitage. ... . - Full View | HathiTrust Digital Library | HathiTrust Digital Library ...(thanks for the link Mr.McCoy!!!)...
That was in the early part of the last century when the apbt as a breed wasnt established and when it was and the bulldog was taking away from its work and to the show ring was the begining of the end of a working type... Thank goodnes the type is cherished by few who seek old standards of worker to worker... I have seen Old Your Friend and Mine magazines from the fifties where Mr. ete Sarks travels to cajun country ans witnesses old respectable dogmen such as Jim Wimberley, Gaboon Trahan and Floyd Boudreax matching into catahoula bulldog crosses and Thibadeaux of layfette La won with one that was said to be corvino on top and a catahoula bottem that curred out a two time winner and J.Wimberly gave 6#s and curred the cat cross in 28 mins aftethey both ran hot...
Alot of dog fights in the rural south were with bulldog crossed to local hounds whether catahoula of cajun country,cracker curs of florida, plotts of the carolinas, the mtn cur in the smokeys or the black mouth curs that ranged from florida to texas...
I am sure differnt breeds made thier way in our bulldogs one way or another one decade or another...
From the boston and bull terriers of the late 1800's and Walter Kominsinskis questionable MUTT dog Ozzy Stevens had that looked the niegbors bull terrier type... To the cat and cur crosses in the south possibly as early as the begining of the 1900s, but deffinatly in the fifties and sixties...
Food for thought os both of Carolinas best,The WarEagle HH and the Mtn.Man Lester Hughes both fought hound bulldog types as young men and moved on to purer bulldogs in presuit of success and not niether man cared much for the REDBOY line of bulldogs...
WHY??? because it was a similar cross they used whe younger of hound and bulldog as a majority they were loud and the dumb game type of relentless presuit that a good hound had... REDBOYS red color being suspect of not being colby lines as the pedigree states led me to ask HH about REDBOY and he told me the redboy dogs reminded him of his childhood dogs and i was blown away when he told me he robablly had somehound in him...
Mr.Hemphill was also from this area and the old family reds fad was on its way out when REDBOY come about is IronMikes theory which can aso hold water.
I think there was alot Colby dogs on the east coast as the carver dogs havnt spread yet and people like Mr.Loposay and Mr.Teal crossed them succesfully
but not knowing the science behind genetics, the red color wasnt in these lines...
I believe redboy is a combo of the old carloina colby dogs as pretrayed in the pedigree with some other influences of origin being hound and or hemphill ofrn...
Redboys grandson Yellow looks alot like a black mouth cur or vice versa...
Yellows sire Yellow John was triple inbred Redboy and looked like alot of the plott crosses in the area...
Why were they able to inbred this line for so long with little defects besides game retards???
Perhaps because the outcross/breed to hounds???hmmmm....
Another rumor I started is why did Mr.Sorrels cut all his dogs ears???
Because its what seperated his bulldogs from his cousins cracker curs, LMAO...
Hammonds family of bulldogs EARS say it all, LOL....
Maydays was all hound down to the ears , but the late Mr.Hollingsworth who raised hounds wouldnt admit to it, wink wink...
I am sure other breeds snuck in somewhere and I am sure it helped diverse the gene pool adding the water it needed to survive so long, anyother breed would explode if they were bred for this long this tight... No other breed or type of dog has such a diverse history...

 

Eliaspistola - If you can find a copy of "Courage, Profiles of Important pit dogs" by R.F.Stratton, & T.L.Williams, on page three is a dog known as Trices Joe, which is behind the Redboy dog. If you have not seen it, I can try to upload it here via pdf file. Anyhow, the page has a picture which shows this type and how Redboy being inbred on that Trice Blood(Corcoran/McCoy breedings) is likely where this look comes from...but I do I know of a couple Colby dogs that look just like Redboy dogs today!!!.
In one of those old historic article/advertisements, there is an add for some Colby bred Boston Terriers.

Also - on the subject of Yellow - I also know inbreeding red dogs tends to fade the coat to yellow as I havw seen this in other lines of ofrn breedings.
Ears were ringin..

 

Hey mccoypitbulls, that book sounds real interesting. Would you mind uploading it? feel free to PM me it if that works better.

Bullandterr

 

sent you both a pm.

 

Thanks for your shares and studies McCOY...

 

Share with me as well McCoy

 

if this was bumped for me then thanks a lot. if not, then praise convenience.

 

Colby he was a bit of character from some old letters I've read of his more than bit shady

 

Hey elias were you able to deliver that message to a for me love to able to talk to that crazy guy we covered a bit of ground together