vise grip kennels

This is the gamest animal we have witnessed. Off course, much if not most of the credit goes to Joyero who is a master conditioner, but part of the paper says vise grip and credit should be given.
http://www.apbt.online-pedigrees.com/public/printPedigree.php?dog_id=341090

 

i have a pancho red devil bitch thats out cold

 

Ive heard from a couple old timers that vise grips line isnt the most consistent but he doesn't make up any stories about his dogs. As with any line there is gonna be good ones and bad ones. It's hard to knock the man as he has put in quite a bit of time with the dogs and seems to be a walking encyclopedia when it comes to caring for the dogs.

 

I have seen a couple of very good dogs from the line crossed and pure. I can't knock Jack because i have seen quality animals from his line, it's always about the dogs! His information is on point and should be a must read for alot of dogmen!

 

Like the pup there dragon like said very good looker there

 

some pretty decent dogs came from jack but the line "poncho" was based on a cur dog , yes poncho was a piece of crap .so for me i dont like seing cur all over my ped. and his son phoenix was a known cur yet jack bred the balls off those dogs. and they tend to have skin and reproductive problems he claims if you dont feed them raw they wont reproduce very long he also claim his dogs dont do very well on regular kibble.

 

Yes id like to,know about others opinions on silverback as well !
Anyone ?

Nmdogs

 

According to Jack, Silverback has the drive to finish but has no endurance. He blows his wad from the get go.

 

Well I want to know Who Stormbringer went into, I never herd his wt out then

 

Huh? And where does this assumption come from? Tennis ball chasing? Silver back has been bred almost as many times as jeep, and hasn't produced anything worth mentioning. AT ALL! Never been looked at, touched, or within 3 feet of anaggressive male dog. So, where do these assumptions come from?

 

What old timers? Because a few member here, may have been around then, and know other wise. Jack is strange individual. You have to meet him in person to understand his level of confidence. You quickly realize, you are front of someone who lives in their own world. His entire yard was built off of fabricating his match report with Poncho (and there is more than enough literature to prove it, for those who didn't make it). Then all of these winners started popping up, from back yard nobodies, who no Fast Lane dog man has ever heard of. Never in the history of pedigrees online, has a breeder himself, enterted 99.8% of his winning pedigrees, and be the only one to vouch for them. Go figure...

 

It's Jack's assumption, in his own world.

 

Thanks for the info ! I have been told he was a good
Producer but who knows ?

Nmdogs

 

Very interesting info blue care to elaborate ?

 

that about sums it up about Silverback.

 

jack is a former meth user that slept where he could on other peoples couches. until he met his girlfriend who actually owns the 50 acres he claims to own now lol. i wouldnt be surpprised of he was still tweeking, just looking at his ramblings online is enough for me to assume that yes he still is. he is a smart guy though, and a lot can be learned from his books, but his dogs are a figment of his imagination.

 

Never met CA jack and never talked with him either
I have met some that had a lil success with his dogs
Mostly silverback and black storm so thats why I asked !
pm if you would like thanks

Nmdogs

 

I still want to see storm bringers record, I was in that area and I never herd that dogs wt out at all. I would have jumped all over that pig I was very active then and could swear I never even herd of him then.

 

Are you 100% on that because last time i talked too him online he was telling me that him and his wife/girlfriend had separated and she had moved to the city. So either she's ONE HELL OF A EX or someone's bull shiting. Who knows?!?