What would you pick for a "wilderness survival dog?

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You do have a point about true gamedogs, but just because they are gamebred, doesnt mean they turn out that way lol. Theres bay dogs to tell the catch dog/s, and the hunter where the hog is, from my understanding. And the catch dog does exactly as its name refers. I do not know of any breed of dog that could take on a full grown wild boar one on one, and live though. However, if you do wind up with one of those :15 75 pound curs, it could be just as effective as any other breed in survival situations with the right training IMO. If I had time to select another breed, I probably would go with something that has a thicker coat personally. There are just to many variables.
By the way, I wouldnt advise licking those Cane toads, unless you were looking to exit this world!

 

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Not that it matters to anyone here...but some of you may remember the name Madison Parker (aka "Mad" Madison) & his brother Skip Parker as former bulldoggers from a few decades ago. Anyway, since then he teaches wilderness living and has even instructed the Navy Seals with some techniques as to how to survive in the wild. Guess what his dog of choice is. If you guessed APBT, you are 100% correct. And, it was a Sorrells' dog at that.

 

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I have no doubts! I know some APBTs can be trained to do just about anything, and everything most other breeds can do, but better. And I've seen some that would be o.k., as long as there were no other animals present, when performing their tasks lol. Then there are few that are just wound up so tight, you cant do much of anything with them, other than....

 

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Yes that's thing about hunting dogs though if an Apbt is going to be turned out on a hog and hunt In packs it can't be trying to kill its hunting buddies or loose sight of its focus some are more than equipped mentally to know when it's time to buckle down and focus on its main objective I know from a guy who hunts with his Apbts he starts training them as pups in a pen on small hogs then they go from there not all of them make it through training so its going to depend on the dog. Some don't have any sense or self control and others do they know when it's time to go to work and nothing is distracting that dog from the task at hand. A good hunting dog shouldn't be running off chasing other prey or getting side tracked when it's suppose to be out catching the hog.

 

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For those interested, I suspect at 14 minutes that is his APBT in the background... [video=youtube;aJ_u5Y04ox0]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aJ_u5Y04ox0&feature=results_video&playnext=1&list=PLF2479D0A81158866[/video]

 

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I got know idea who Madison Parker is...looks like bear grylles Grandpappy or something but I do know that when Australia was colonised, 100 years later and a hell of a lot of selective breeding/culling they had a dog purpose biult for the wilderness. The ACD was bred wary of strangers to protect the cattle/camp, it has a thick insulated coat for freezing conditions, exteme stamina for driving cattle across 1000's of kilometers of desert when it only gets water sparingly and enough prey instinct to catch a rabbit for dinner if need be and most inportant it is very trainable and has a good problem solving mind capable of independant thought.

This breed was developed by the drovers (Ranchers in USA talk?) of Aust. to survive the hashest of conditions, so pedantic and particular was it's breeding it came down to even the thickness of the skull so it would tolerate cattle kicks to the head also it's ears remain pricked to stay alert to anything odd around the camp at night NOW please tell again how the APBT which has ancestors that were basically bred with one job in mind can compete with the ACD?

And for the sake of aguements clarity let's not get caught up in " I heard of a dog" or "I once seen my dog"...we're talking about breeds in general and their common traits...Hell I once had a rabbit that swam to the bottom of our pool for fun (true) but that ain't usual.

 

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No one here is saying an APBT is meant to replace other breeds that were selected for specific things such as hunting or guard work. But it's been proven that the APBT is a well balanced dog and many of them can compete in other avenues and do very well if not better than other notable Breeds it doesn't mean that All bulldogs can do these things it's not even a suggestion that they should replace those other breeds this topic was started asking what type of dog they would take into the wilderness if they had to go into survival mode some people said they would bring their bulldogs and people had an issue with that and made it like an apbt couldn't get the job done well I am calling bullshit cause I know some would be perfect candidates for it you can't lump all dogs together because many of the breeds who are being bred today are not even being selected for their original purpose but I am not going to open up that can of worms. People can take a damn poodle into the wilderness for all I care this wasn't supposed to be a debate on why someone chose the dog they did over another dog. People can take what they want if they get killed or their dog runs off after a deer and never comes back oh well.

 

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And this is where I was going with my comment about most game bred Apbts being bred just for the sake of being bred or not being bred for gameness most of them aren't now adays and that's just a fact.

 

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Oh and Benthere my definition of game bred are parents who were game tested and proven and selected to produce game offspring if you are not breeding to produce game dogs you are not breeding game bred ApBTS.

 

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I don't even like the term game bred and got into a bad habit of using that term and a dog man corrected me and told me there are game dogs and than there are APBTs a dog who comes from several generations of proven dogs but has not been proven itself or was not selected for gameness would be an apbt and they are all Apbts until proven otherwise hence game dogs.

 

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Great post...

The essence of the american pit bull is unnatural. Dogs or wild animals pick their fights and the end of the day their goal is survive so they run if they have to. No other animal in nature behaves this way, because this is a man made behavior bred into the genes of this breed. Wild animals and most dogs avoid a dangerous scenario to flee, survive, mate and a live another day.

A true American Pit Bull Terrier is wired and designed to never quit and die trying. How can a dog designed to have an instinct of unawareness self destructive behavior serve as a good survival dog? Now if we are talking watered down dogs yea sure, why not.. But to claim that the real gladiator dog is a good fit as a survival canine partner is silly.

I love how people use the term gameness selectively when it fits. Now people claim their pit's gameness has a switch, so they can turn it off if he is going after a bear or a wolf. I wonder if you can use a break stick on a pit while it's hanging on to a bear haha you think the bear will redirect?

Everyone should have pride in the breed they love, but besides the pride and love they have for their breed of choice they should have common sense and not be blinded by it.

 

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The point is most Apbts are not being selected for gameness these days so the switch doesn't apply because those dogs never turned on to begin with again people are misplacing gameness and how it applies to the Apbt if they are not coming off game parents then they are not being selected for gameness anyway and a freak that shows up in between generations is just a freak. Most of these dogs are curs don't be surprised when they quit be surprised when they don't quit. Gameness is not a switch you can just turn on and off it's either there or it isn't and unless you are breaking the law to find out you won't know one way or another. I hope that most of us on this thred know the difference and none of us are confused about the Apbts genetic makeup which I am pretty sure we all understand. There is also no such thing as watered down gameness if you are referring to watered down Da well that's different but being DA doesn't = gameness anyway I am pretty much done here.

 

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And most bulldogs coming off performance stock today are not being bred for the box they are being bred for other venues such as hunting, agility, conformation, pets lol That in itself makes a big difference in this conversation.

 

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I'll keep my pit ,she brings me back a 'present' when we go for a walk on the park hills and trails so I know I'll eat the rest is easy

 

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See ya'll are turning this into a what breed for survival situation. the question was what dog would you take? Several of us choose to answer the question with what we currently have, which is a bulldog who could fit the bill. My boy (who i in no way claim to be game or gamebred) will do fairly decent. He alerts, is aloof with strangers till he sees I'm okay with them, will hunt but can be called back (this has been tested once when a rabbit sprang up from our feet and took off) will ignore other dogs when i tell him to. He naturally sticks very close to me, ranges out only about 20ft or so before coming back to check in with me. So yes if the world went to hell today, i would take off with my boy at my side somewhat certain he will be of decent use to me.

 

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I have the perfect test for these PERFORMANCE PITs lol take them to the dog park with 20 other dogs and see if you can call them off lol If it doesn't out and does not come back it sure as hell ain't coming back when it goes after a pack of yotes in the woods in this survival scenario lol so your ass will be alone in the woods and your dog will be the pack's snack.

 

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So they are not bulldogs then.. they are sport dogs. I agree the sport ones have a better chance to survive than the real one. It's like comparing a dogo to a presa.

 

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This is sad for me alot of the pits are being bred for looks, color I really don't consider them pits at all. I don't blame Razors edge or others for breeding pigs they are after the $ at all costs business first..I joined this site to find people from the old school all the dogs should come first ...Breed proven to proven not just one blood line either But Proven

 

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My dog's razors edge and he doesn't look like a pigglet lol but I get your point