Son's of Frisco

Even though scar is good I bet you ain't seen nothing like the frisco dogs in the states or mexico my friend way better comp then SA

 

thats an opinion and cant be proven unless there was evidence of comp btw SA and USA and there never has been

SA has many great dogs and many local lines have stopped many great USA imports


so until SA and USA start compting against each other yours is an opinion my friend

 

Dynomite is a great dog and a fine looking animal. I have my doubts about him being the best. He only has one Ch. listed and has over 200 offspring.

I only say this becaus I might not be in the know and becos the only source of info is generally the ped database, to compare studs breeding rate vs performance. Maybe you just don't put up the peds of Ch's.

But I have seen that people are generally exited to put up the ped of the next weightpull or conformation Champ, I will have to base my assumption on what is infront of me, which means Dynomite is still a puppy, copared to Scar. Unless you can advise me of different.

 

Maybe his line has not produced a recent Gr. Ch, but he, Scar, has :http://www.apbt.online-pedigrees.com/modules.php?name=Public&file=printPedigree&dog_id=164263

 

A misinformed opinion. I would always arue that the Balkans had the best comp, for obvious reasons.But I can also confrim that in the last 30 years we have seen lots of bloodlines come into S.A, some brought in specifically to cure the Frisco Rash. Some have succeeded, many have failed dismally. Go to this site to have a better idea of what type of dogs and comp you can expect from the SA, you may lead in numbers, I doubt quality very much.

http://sa-apbt.co.za/

Saint - forgot to mention the management factor. Scar was managed by a very good combine. The blood has since been made available to over 40 kennels, Can we really expect the same results.

I like to see them as the STP's of our day and country............lol

 

So powerline you are saying that because the blood was made available to 40 kennels the quality of the scar dog is less that what is was

I think it is more than that. I think one that the quality of dogs -the competition- going into orginal scar dog was not as good a quality as now and two that those 40 kennels do not do 'selections' like the orginal scar guys did.

Dont forget all ped databases are kak bra lots of ppl posting anything they want esp that one lol

SA powerline what dogs do you run bra

 

Well you are definitely not in the know about dynomites kids

 

Ifyour in the know how Sa powerrline then you would have the answers you seek for your original post and you wouldn't even care about what type of frisco studs we got over here even though the man who created it is still putting out the best there is I suggest you stick with what you got over there and stop worrying About friscos other sub par sons lmfao

 

Funny how you guys base shit off the internet lmfao Do your research about Dynomite, He has winners world wide not just in USA. I talk to the owner of Dynomite so I hear about his kids first hand not just the ones that come from TG or on the internet.

 

Ch simba devastating dog won all under 30 min same as chinaman best representative of his grand sir chinaman. chinaman gameness was never tested. i think simba is the best son of frisco.

 

I think if you put things into perspective and have the real facts on scar and his offspring, you too will find that out of the hundreds of dogs off him only a hand full made it. Another thing is, what was the competition of the time that all those dogs succeeded? Those dogs that came from Garner were worked correctly and the best results came from that. Garner sent more stock over, and that stuff did not work out. Fact. Since those dogs were made available to the public, the results have been similar to the Gritler dogs, they get the shit bred out of them and results were nothing to brag about. Every tom dick and their hairy mother had one. And gospel with the Frisco fans in SA is everyone thinks they have a five minute winner and breed the dicks and tits off they because they see the 5 minutes of mouth. I am in no way bashing Frisco dogs, or the lineage of scar, but the results are not as one sided as they used to be when those dogs first hit the shores.
To John Denver on the level of competition... Remember 99% of the dogs that we have in our country come from you guys. Some have turned out, some have been crap. There are camps here that are as stringent as the hardest dogmen you know of. The dogs have only been with us for the past +-35 years, but i can assure you that in those 35 years with the thousands of dogs that have been bred, from the likes of dogs directly from people like Bobby Hall and Carver, one or two good ones came out, and when a good one comes out, a standard is set. And so with the standard growing, so does the knowledge. The bar was raised when the Frisco dogs came in and many people had to go back to the drawing board. A game dog is a game dog, a dog is not gamer just because it lives in the US. And to some of us, thats what counts. You definitely have a far wider spectrum of fast lane competition, but there are people all around the world that study the ins and outs their dogs and master their keeps and management. So i agree that we do not have the level of competition that you have on some aspects, but thats not to say that we have shit either. We have worked with what we got. A funny thing was said to me buy a good friend in the States, he said that even a below average dog directly from the states today will better than what we consider here to be an above average dog. He was proved wrong by an average dog here.

Thanks
Olli

 

Young sense - I explained what i base my assumptions on, i agree that i might know very little, you also had the last words, a clear invatation tyo school me on the topic. "i know the owner, this and that" just doesn't cut it, why bother to respond, if you cannot prove what you saying with some facts. Everything I said about Scar is a fact. much like me yiou are just a Cyberdogger, making noise when it has liitle baring.

John, you have just displayed the behaviour of a six year old with all your name calling and insinuasion. I get it that think USA is the best, why would one not support your own country. But you are very ignorant when it comes to the dogs, and while many on the forum would agree with you, I doubt you would be a choice candidate for anything else than making noise on a forum.

I urge the both of you'll to re-read what I said, and then come back with some cotsuctive comment, or why even bother to respond ? what do you need to prove and to whom.

 

Cyberdogger? Dude your the one looking at peds online as a tool to see who is the best son of Frisco lmao. your a joke dude. Those who knows knows. If you don't know shit about Dynomite,Elmo or Rebel Yell then your a joke. Scar may be good but the dogs direct off the Frisco & Boss lady did'nt come close to the 3 I named. TG don't even rank those dogs as high as he do the Elmo & Dynomite stuff. Your all the way in Sa you just take what ever TG put on a plane or a boat so you don't even get a chance to see these dogs are evaluate to see what is what with these Frisco dogs. You guys go broke after buying 2 or 3 dogs then say fuck it when they don't turn out then yall say Frisco dog ain't no good lol. What a joke. If you ever come to the states you should really stop in VA and show me and my boys what your "SA Power Line" Is all about.

 

And still you have said nothing about the best dogs off your favorates, just more noise, with no substance.

Oh, seeing that we are so broke, why don't you hop on a plane and come whip some Powerline ass. One would think that those who knows, would actually say more that that same old words which are famous on all dog forums world wide.

 

It's odvious that you ain't shit dude so there's no need for me on anybody else to explain what Dynomite has produced Hell all you do is look online for info so maybe if you look a lil harder you can find Dynomite's owner and ask him about his production yourself lol That's even if he has the time to waste talking to you. You showed your true color's when you said you based your statment off "Peds Online" so with that being said "I'm done!" All your doing is fishing for info then flip it like you knew all along when in fact you don't know shit.

 

SA powerline is actually impressing me with his composure and articulation. I think it would be better if somebody that knows more about the elmo, dynomite, and rebel yell actually explain what these dogs have accomplished or at least the traits which they are known. Which would be more constructive than taking any offense to his lack of knowledge because I promise he isn't the only who doesn't know but at least he does want to learn.

 

True. Educate , educate, educate. Dont hate.
Spread the love, lol.

 

My apologies Powerline, I forgot that TinTin was ever around. They sure as hell knew how to manage those dogs (space and time), but nobody after them could remotely achieve what they've done. AND I'm sure nobody else will succeed.
Like I said before, hats off to those that did, but believe me I've been around bulldogs for a long ime and gameness is definitely not their (SA Frisco dogs') strength.

 

AND You John Denver is an arrogant dumb ass, like the most egotistical Americans believing that there are still lions roaming our streets. Oh YES I completely forgot in the USA everything is bigger and better!!! LOL
Bra, the Balkans and some Asian countries, AND YES some Afdrican countries too, will whip most of you arrogant Americans at the game of bulldogs. Yes my respect goes to the MANY MANY men and women who laid the foundation of these dogs in the USA and Ireland, but bra dont dream up crap that you are necessarily still the best. Like Powerline mentioned, loads of imports were made into SA just to quit cold into SA dogs - ha-ha-ha, so much for your better dogs.
Now dont make a mistake there are thousands of good dogmen still in your country, but the good ones are not as arrogant as you my cyber dog friend!!!