How rare is an actual Game Dog?

Personally I did not read all the replies as I just wanted to post my 2 cents worth.
That said, a dog need be game enough to win on the day he is called upon.
To call all GAMEDOGS, Deadgame dogs. That would be an insult to all the men who bred dogs only on their merits of tolerance against all odds.
Compared to those that "showed" their dogs against most others hogs knowing very well, if "push came to shove....." God only knew what would happen. Suffice to say on most nights, they knew that when called upon, the dog would be good enough to bring home the bacon, no pun intended.
Stating a gamedog is a deadgame dog is on par to proclaiming " One can be a "little" pregnant."

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If real doggers are rare wouldn't that make real Game Dogs rare? When I look at the dogs and dogmen from the past you can usually count on one hand the dogs they are asked about in interviews...that leads me to believe that a true Game Dogs is rare.It sounds like from what I have read that they had to cull alot of dogs to get that good one and even then they had to cull alot of the pups of two good ones bred together.I'm trying to learn something here.If a true Game Dog is not a rare thing then the dogmen of the past are mistaken?

 

quoting BB & bad reading comprehension is on par with "kermit the frogs ass" lol. now show me where BB post " all gamedogs are dg dogs?

 

Im with you on this one. The only true proven gamedog is a deadgame dog. That said, not every "deadgame" dog is game, some just had an asshole owner who didn't know when it was time to pick up... A dog may be called game after scratching from deaths doorstep and then being picked up, but who knows if he'll scratch the next time... Still i don't like saying a dog that made a screaming scratch with broken legs and then being picked up doesn't deserve to be called game. It's a tricky subject and i think people write of to many dogs as curs to easiely. These dogs deserve all the respect they can get so if that means you call a dog game that isn't fully proven, than who gives a shit... JMO

 

Well, I think about 90% of the people on this forum think their dogs are "real game." I would still say it is less than 1% though.

 

If the dog died game... the owner being a bone head shouldnt take away from the dog.
if it dies game it dies game...

 

I can tell you how to figure it out... Flip a coin cause no one will ever know the truth to this question, simply because there is no way to prove the results correct or false.

 

It varries from yard to yard most with low %

 

I have seen as manny good dogs as I have seen hard mouth curs
They are not as hard to find as most let on . You can find a killer
And you can find a. Match dog you can find a dog that loves to
Work the hard thing to find is a dog that is the all around dog
Game hard mouth killer that works hard and recovers quick
But there is a ton of game plugs out there speaking of them how
Are everyone redboy dogs lol

 

game plugs hell i must like em i have had a lot of plugs but shit i guess i'd take a game plug atleast it ain't a damn flat out cur lol i got a 50eli 50 redboy gyp that is pretty worthless at the moment since you asked there willy you want her?? she can eat alot of feed and can shit really nicely hahaha

 

I think this thread just shows the rarity of good dogs. AS WELL AS THE RARITY OF KNOWLEDGE. Thanks maloney, thanks fiaris, thanks jackson. These guys are to blame for the quest's of dead game dogs.... lmao it really shows that most people just want what others have. All the good ones DIE!!! Remember that when you don't have one good dog in 5 years

 

What i mean't was that every dog that dies in the pit is not game. For example, lots of deaths are quick because of arterial destruction which leads to a fast and more or less painfree death. For those who know gr. ch. boogie boy i think he killed a dog i 3 mins by puncturing the femoral artery leading to heavy bleeding, can you call this dog a deadgame dog? Volemic shock is probably the most common killer and lots of kills are due to arterial rupture. I, personally don't think a dog is game, just because he died in the pit without making any turns and showing any other bad signs. I think it depends on the circumstances of the fight..

 

Hell nah it wouldnt make real game dogs rare. Im not saying they arent rare because there isnt sufficiant information for anyone to decide if they are or not. Real doggers being rare would more or less increase the possibility of dogs that were game being wasted by the likes of lowlife scum who thought they knew what they had when they game tested there yr old untouched pup. Real doggers being rare has multiple effects on the game. One of which I just named. On the other end of the gamedog spectrum real doggers being rare can and does reduce the chances of getting a gamedog out of the litters most people have access to. Its like the old saying goes "A good dog is where you find'em".

You should read the interviews more carefully. They rarely talk about the game dogs. They talk about the winners.

The dogmen of the past are mistaken about alot of things. Now percentage wise if your talking about gamedogs as compared to the whole APBT population then yes they are rare. Because you have anybody and there momma breeding these dogs for reasons unknown to even the breeder. Now if you have a percent of Gamedogs as compared to the yards of real doggers as a whole you'll get a MUCH higher percentage. If you want accurate results the closest you'll get is to only consider the dogs bred by real doggers Bulldogs and to consider the rest American Bullies. Even if they have a pretty ped full of winners. After all GAME dog is where you find'em.

 

Bro, they're all curs, they'll all quit. All the dogs deemed dead game, just had a good day, on a bad day... But the ones that last the longest, like 2 or 3 hour dogs. It all depends on the line of dogs, and whose breeding them as to the percentages of game ones they throw. Now if your asking in general the percentage of game ones to not, including all apbt's on paper I'd say it was 1 in 1000..

 

i am going to disagree with most of this post accept maybe the part about the man behind the dogs not all will quit quitting and not being able to continue are 2 different things and saying a dead game dog is dog having a good day at the same time as having a bad one that doesn't float either alot of times the owner was to proud to pick up or just didn't realize the signs in that dog or he could have picked up and gone to fight another day happened plenty of times and some just wouldn't pick up because they were to damn stubborn but i be damned if im taking away anything from the greats that died doing what we there owners wanted them and they loved to do and also lastly i guess i can go with 1 in 1000 because not many of the dogs on paper are tested anyway not enough doggers out there that do so but if there were more doggers i would say that percentage would have to be alot higher to bad we just won't ever know the percentages one can only speculate and we through speculation it seems we have been on both ends of the spectrum from different members no doubt this is an interesting discussion never the less

 

When I started the thread I had in mind % of the ADBA dogs that fit the breed standard.I also wanted people opinions because just searching the web for "Game dogs" brings up a ton of kennels and also when I read on different forums it seems like it a common trait.I was also curious really about how many just "good dogs" are out there.I understand your answer about the dogs not getting into the wrong hands and that is a good thing.I refer to a dog that quits as a cur because that is the word that is used.In my eyes a dog that fights for an hour an quits is a warrior.I see what you are saying in the interviews as talking about winners but alot of times they also will mention they believed the was game even though other people had questions.I would be curious about the % on real doggers yard though.I was reading an article by P.Patrick on Maurice Carver and he mentions that on visit to Carvers yard he had 15 tested dogs to look at and then another 175 dogs on his yard...that is alot of dogs.I would take any of those 175 in a heartbeat no matter what his% was though.

 

they're rare , true gamedogs are . and i mean true gamedogs .

 

I'm sure that this is going to set many off, but have we considered the POSSIBILITY that often gameness relates to schooling and seasoning and being brought along properly by one who knows how to do it? That in my opinion is REALLY something to consider.... Not that schooling makes a cur game, but to say that not all dogs get the correct schooling on their way to being deemed worthy or not.Additionally, IN MY OPINION (OPINION ONLY, based on past experiences and knowledge gatherred from trusted individuals that know much more than I) many times dogs get labeled as curs because they wouldn't go when in all actuality they COULDN'T go.. "Johnny big time dogman" brought his car to the race without enough gas in the tank. I've seen this with my own eyes and am sure that it has happened many, many times.. Just my 2 cents..

 

"In my eyes a dog that fights for an hour an quits is a warrior" if your in mexico ask the fellas whos dog quit in 60 if they think it is a warrior?