game dogs and conformation

That's exactly right, thanks for that story. The best conformation comes from a performance dog...

 

Verry well how you layd it down limey.

only logical that performance leads to great conformation.

Now i ask myself,
Is there gonna be a point were we will see the same thing happen to the apbt? as happend to the sbt?
on one half i say no. but on the other part its becoming such a popular dog, that generations after generations of not testing must influence the breed am i right ?

 

Maybe, but I think there is enough underground testing and of course matching where it is legal to keep the real APBT alive for those willing to seek it.

 

Think you've got a verry good point there cliff, these dogs have a bigger foundation indeed.

 

only a thought (cloudy) but could anyone write a standard for the one in the middle ?

 

Nuff sayd right there

 

"SHOWTIME" pmsl

 

any way . i don think that a standard could be written of a "sporting dog " theres to many variables and such like .

 

Let me quote myself:
Ok my 2 cents on this matter. let me start of in saying that the ADBA standard is the one and only, no matter if your in the show ore go bisenis.. little diferends are alouwd consirning the quality of the varius famelys who are spesific in go traights end of quote"". "

with this i meen that individual familys of dogs like the Boudraux dogs have a diferend confermation due to there stile, then let say patrick/bolio dogs and ore alligator dogs. i consider the ADBA standard the one to be the only one .YET there is room to take along the individual confermation of the diferend famelies in your consideration to make a verdict. besides that we have been game bred breeders, we have always been confermation judges as wel.

Ofcours it counts if you come from a sirtin background in order to make the right verdict. and as Benthere sais a breed standard is only as good as the person who interpretin it!!.

Unfortunatly there are to manny WANNABEES out there that ""think"" they have wat it takes to be judges to set out a direction on how a dog from a particulair breed should look.
in many cases this leads to what we have seen in yes the AM staf and SBT... and varius other breeds...
If you go and chek ALL the known working breeds of yesterday.
You wil find out that the dogs that are not proven ore are used as sutch are nothing more then a Hollow shell of there origen.

just for the funn of it lets use the Yorkshire Terrier. Know and earning its name for his ratt killing talend in the coal mines of yorkshire England back in the day.

today however there isend a simple yourkshire terrier that is able to atack and kill some serius rodent rat, i hounestly think its the other way around .
looking at the Yorkshire terrier of today the only Terra(earth) he sees is from about at least 1 1/2 yards of the ground leaning on some pretty lady,s arm watching douwn. Im sure there are plenty more examples to be named, in where Show confermation breeding and judging hase totaly degraded breeds

 

Hammer head if you make another reference to matching dogs you will be banned period. I'm not gonna debate it with you either so don't waste your time

 

"the coldest cur" LOL!

 

thanks limey for an informative reply ! but what i really meant was, there are lots of different types of "pit dog" eg you have the hound type,the bulldog type ,the terrier type the sbt type, the leggy type ,and any in between they are probably all masters of their craft and they have all been matched into each other with varying results at one time or another so imo you would have to write a standard for each type , but they are all "apbts"

 

This is something you tought off urself right ? not trying to bash but it makes no sence.
the key is that performance count... why write a standard ? it never been there for the []
same weight ? ready to go and thats it.

Maybe i missed ur point on this one.. in that case feel free to explain how these standards would benefit the true pit dog?

 

I love weight pullers and conformation dogs.......true test of APBT

 

Jacko no problem....
But again there is room to interped diferend types , as long as stuff is in ""proportion"". the ADBA standard is a standard ""based"" on what oldtmers saw as a perfect ALL ROUND DOG.
there for it hase the best chanse to compeat in sports evends..
and you be sirprized how little bulldog, from a Bulldog type apbt is left when in hard condition!!!. hens the rezen WE as judges on confermation shows whant to see dogs at shows in shape!!!....
ofcours confermatio nalone thussend make a dog a winner in sportif events like weightpulling hunting agilety ecetera,, but a perfect body sure helps the mind to overcome obsticels where a poorer confermation dog hase to diliver more eford to do so!!.
resulting in more wear and tear on health muscles durabilety and loss of energy in the long run!!!..
we can go very sientific if you like as it wil bring a new look and perspectif on things... there hase been a topic last year about terrier type and bulldog type where stuf alredy hase been talkt about.

 

elmo i think you are missing my point ! which is , there are too many types of game dog to be covered by one standard but there is no doubting that they are all pit bulls, we all know that there is only one test for a game dog and i dont think it is covered in the breed standard .

 

I for one am very keen on dogs that are conditioned and can compete pulling a given weight over a pre determined distance. I hear that the whopper line is a good strain of dog. Has anyone used the eddington cross.......how did that pan out?