Purpose breeding

Alot of guys say they breed best to best but if you look at there yard they are pretty much in the fam for the most part.the problem is every one has put it in the air that the dogs wont be game unless they are tight, That is just not true. Not every one can breed good dogs, one theynever listen to there hart, they read too much they wont open there eyes and breed what they like the allways have to see the ped, start your yard with well bred dogd only breed your gamest ones. then only breed the best pups off that. and you will be light years ahead of every one else that got side tracked and had to throw that next big thing in there strain to have to start the prosesses over again. the more you breed your dogs the better you can read them.I know a breeder who with very high%s can pick out the best pups at 12 weeks from a life time of breeding his strain. its all ABOUT TIME!

 

I use to believe in this cocktail LOL breeding, I was a green horn then. It is true that when you keep a family for many years, you will learn them more. You'll find out that the dog will stop when it is in front of another a-bit classy dog LOL. Kidding aside, there will be obvious consistencies and it can only be seen in the {}.

The truth about this dogs are, the best apbt can be found in the gamblers. Sad but true?! Why? Because they are serious about going to the best competition. Most gamblers are gentleman anyways LOL but I believe the best Dogman are gamblers! not just because of money, more deeper than that, it just might be the risks they want to take.. They are competitors and no Dogman is not a competitor. Another truth? Most people who is successful in the dogs are people who is successful in life, they have money. Sad but true?!
A so-called breeder, fought 1-10 times in his entire 30-35 yrs of his career produced 2 gr ch, 6-8 ch out of 800 puppys! and sadly he is a legend LOL. Not to mention who he went into LOL. There will always be a market, market of people who rather believe what they hear but once you really go out there and see the dogs, it will put both your feet to the ground. It will wake you up to the reel reality that what you hear and read about in the books is 50% true and 50% lie. I often see people here talk about mixing this and mixing that but I seldom read people asked about the dogs itself. Any serious Breeder/Dogman can not pick the best in the litter . It can only assess when the dogs will start ... and what to expect if the trait will come from the sire or dam. He would know this because there will be consistencies that he saw coming from the grand grand dog to the sire or dam. It is man-made, create what you like to expect -in a logical parameters.

Breed the best dogs. Forget about the breeder, the sire, the dam etch and look at your dog first. My 2 cents.

 

this is what i consider breeding with purpose. if you study the pedigree it clicks well on many levels, but isnt tight or bred on any specific dog. frisco is in there the most. just two great dogs being bred together. last tie was sunday, i hope and pray she takes.

http://www.apbt.online-pedigrees.com/public/printPedigree.php?dog_id=323042

 

i didn't read the whole thread just a few from page 1 in the glossary it says brood bitch is a bitch used for breeding a matron ,, in champs class a lady said at a event champs class for females is ment for brood bitches does she mean maybe taller longer dogs that probaly would have large litters ,, and sometimes our smaller dogs don't do as well as larger one ,, the reason they were talking about it was beacuse it wasn't a split champs class they said thats why the male always gets the cup ,, i thaught it ment a high percentage of 1 line for a long time

 

JTC,

How did This breeding go ? Did she take ?
If she did good luck On the pups man !

Nmdogs

 

It's all about the luck of the straw, I had a cold gyp (ch bad Billy/gr ch badger) I got from Bobby Smith , also had a cold male (none yellow man which was off gr ch yellow) I came outside and they were stuck together, I was pissed! I gave the pups away, wrong move they were destroyers, only down side was the males were 75 pounds lol! People said I should do the breeding again, I tell them the truth it wasn't a planned breeding that the luck of the straw. I'm not a breeder, but some breedings work some don't,there's plenty examples of best to best that didn't turn out to be shit but flip side there is plenty (best to best that were /are) although I agree with the best to best theory, when it all breaks down its just luck.

 

she is fat as a house. expecting them any time now.


J

 

I can only give an opinion based on my personal experiences and what they have taught me. Following along these lines, I don't understand what or how "brood stock" can even exist. It sure doesn't in our yard. When I hear brood stock I can only think of a peddler or a non-competitor that doesn't check his dogs. I don't know how it is on other peoples yards but in ours, if a dog can't perform then it is culled immediately. Why would we feed a dog that isn't at least as good as another one? it doesn't make any sense to me. I don't even understand how a dog that can't perform would still be alive.
Our brood stock is whatever is left after the storm passes. We do however breed in a family way.

Also, I don't agree at all that the best doggers are gamblers or have the most money. From my experience the best dogmen were always the ones who were honest gentlemen and competitors that stayed true to the breed and didn't fall by the wayside to greed.

 

Brood stock ':noun a small population of any animal maintained as a source of population replacement or for the establishment of new populations (as of game birds) in suitable habitats.... if you breed dogs there your "brood".

 

i'd be one of " those " people lol. but your understanding is somewhat off. " people breeding to preserve lines but arn't thinking about traits" when you chose to preserve a family then you do so because of certain traits you like. breeding within that same family over time will produce those same traits. no other choice because that's a limited gene pool & that's the reason people chose to preserve. the sole detriment is the man behind the dog & perception of there understanding. no matter what your always breeding for traits & where do traits come from ? they come from family being preserved. but that can only be done by not "re inventing the wheel" .

 

Well damn! I love to hear statements like this, and I would love to believe it's true. But after reading other posts on this web site from other members I am not so sure it really is.

 

Let me try and explain why I hold the opinion I do and its basis. In order to do that I am going to use an example of what we do, which may or may not be what others do and may or may not be the right thing to do but it is what we do.

First of all, we don't sell our dogs so we have entire litters. When they reach the age of 16-18 mos. we will start them up. What we look for this first time is that the dog starts up well, but we don't look very much at what it does that first time unless it shows some extraordinary trait that calls our attention. All we want to do is be sure the dog starts up. If it doesn't, we cull it. Why keep one that doesn't start up when its brother did what we wanted?

Next we will look at it for the second time. This time we expect to see a marked improvement in the dog and we also expect for it to show its traits. If it doesn't, that dog is set aside and we discuss the dogs future, but usually we will give the dog another 3-4 months time and take another look at it and if it still does not improve, we cull it. Why feed a dog that is not as good as its brothers you see?

The third time around, we expect to see not only improvement but well defined traits in the dog. We also like to see that a dog can adapt and change based on the circumstances. If a dog doesn't show this, then we will make a decision about it and if we decide not to cull it we will only use that dog to start up younger dogs but would never breed to it. Back in our minds we hope that with maturity the dog will change and become competitive and after around a year if that doesn't happen, we cull the dog.

Then, after another look or two we will test the dog and if it passes we open it up, if not we cull the dog.

We do this with all our dogs in the exact same way. We have a main family of dogs but we also have other families of dogs that are just as good as our main one and we treat each and every one of them exactly the same way. So based on this, where do you stop and say, "this one is for brood stock"? What makes you decide it is best for brood? and if brood means it doesn't perform, they what you are saying is that you are breeding two non-performing dogs to eachother in the hopes that they will produce performing dogs???? this does not make any sense.

 

Man, that's the nail on the head there. Too limited a gene pool on the wrong genes, and you will be going in circles.

 

just becuase they all do the same thing dont mean that thos are traits. if you cant tell what certin traits your dogs throw then your not looking at it the right way. i have bullyson dogs and some of my buddys have bullyson dogs and guess what folks that know the bullyson blood can tell a diffrence.

 

slim "breeding brood dogs means you have to wait for them to grow up...prove to be brood worthy and then breed them again and wait on that litter" "i would just rather breed bulldog to bulldog and go with that" this is why you cant tell the diffrent traits in your dogs or dogs from other fam's.

 

Slim, when you got those dogs, were you told they were brood stock? or did you decide to breed them after they had proven themselves to you and were matched up with dogs that would complement each other?
Do you belive in buying brood stock? or do you believe in buying good dogs that come from good dogs to make good dogs?