overvaccinating

*shakes head*

 

I vaccinate all my dogs 1 time when they're 7 weeks old and thats it
I have a 10 yr old dog and an 8 yr old dog plus a few 2,3,4 yr old hounds and have never had a problem with parvo or anything else related to not vaccinating my dog

 

Dr. Jean Dodd's NEW vaccine protocol:

Dr. W. Jean Dodd's vaccination protocol is now being adopted by ALL 27 North American veterinary schools.

Hi everyone.... THIS is wonderful news, that the veterinary schools are now going to be teaching that over-vaccination of pets (once a year "boosters") is only not necessary, but in some cases can be harmful or deadly! It has information for both dogs and cats. There still is an ongoing study regarding the Rabies vaccine. Most states now allow (reluctantly) 3 year Rabies, but the study is collecting data on whether or not even that may be too much. They are looking at 8 or 10 year Rabies!

I hope you all stop having yearly boosters for your pets. If you're concerned with immune levels, have the vet run a Titer test. THEN and only then, if the levels are below acceptable, should you have a booster. After all, when is the last time you had a "booster" for smallpox, or whooping cough, or anything else you had shots for as a child? Immune systems work the same in all mammals, and the concept that pets have to have yearly shots doesn't make any more sense than if you had have shots every year. If mammals immune systems were that weak in fending off these things, all of them, us included, would have been extinct years ago!

VACCINATION NEWS FLASH

I would like to make you aware that all 27 veterinary schools in North America are in the process of changing their protocols for vaccinating dogs and cats. Some of this information will present an ethical & economic challenge to vets, and there will be skeptics. Some organizations have come up with a political compromise suggesting vaccinations every 3 years to appease those who fear loss of income vs those concerned about potential side effects.

Politics, traditions, or the doctor's economic well being should not be a factor in medical decision.

NEW PRINCIPLES OF IMMUNOLOGY

"Dogs and cats immune systems mature fully at 6 months. If a modified live virus (MLV) vaccine is given after 6 months of age, it produces an immunity which is good for the life of the pet (ie: canine distemper, parvo, feline distemper). If another MLV vaccine is given a year later, the antibodies from the first vaccine neutralize the antigens of the second vaccine and there is little or no effect. The titer is not "boosted" nor are more memory cells induced."
Not only are annual boosters for parvo and distemper unnecessary, they subject the pet to potential risks of allergic reactions and immune-mediated hemolytic anemia. "There is no scientific documentation to back up label claims for annual administration of MLV vaccines." Puppies receive antibodies through their mother's milk. This natural protection can last 8-14 weeks. Puppies & kittens should NOT be vaccinated at LESS than 8 weeks. Maternal immunity will neutralize the vaccine and little protection (0-38%) will be produced. Vaccination at 6 weeks will, however, delay the timing of the first highly effective vaccine. Vaccinations given 2 weeks apart suppress rather than stimulate the immune system. A series of vaccinations is given starting at 8 weeks and given 3-4 weeks apart up to 16 weeks of age. Another vaccination given sometime after 6 months of age (usually at 1 year 4 months) will provide lifetime immunity.

CURRENT RECOMMENDATIONS FOR DOGS

Distemper & Parvo *"According to Dr. Schultz, AVMA, 8-15-95, when a vaccinations series given at 2, 3 & 4 months and again at 1 year with MLV, puppies and kitten program memory cells that survive for life, providing lifelong immunity." Dr. Carmichael at Cornell and Dr. Schultz have studies showing immunity against challenge at 2-10 years for canine distemper & 4 years for parvovirus. Studies for longer duration are pending. "There are no new strains of parvovirus as one manufacturer would like to suggest. Parvovirus vaccination provides cross immunity for all types." Hepatitis (Adenovirus) is one of the agents known to be a cause of kennel cough. Only vaccines with CAV-2 should be used as CAV-1 vaccines carry the risk of "hepatitis blue-eye" reactions & kidney damage.

**Bordetella Parainfluenza: Commonly called "Kennel cough". Recommended only for those dogs boarded, groomed, taken to dog shows, or for any reason housed where exposed to a lot of dogs. The intranasal vaccine provides more complete and more rapid onset of immunity with less chance of reaction. Immunity requires 72 hours and does not protect from every cause of kennel cough. Immunity is of short duration (4 to 6 months).*

*RABIES There have been no reported cases of rabid dogs or cats in Harris, Montgomery or Ft. Bend Counties [Texas] but there have been rabid skunks and bats so the potential exists. It is a killed vaccine and must be given every year.

*Lyme disease is a tick born disease which can cause lameness, kidney failure and heart disease in dogs. Ticks can also transmit the disease to humans. The original Ft. Dodge killed bacteria has proven to be the most effective vaccine. Lyme disease prevention should emphasize early removal of ticks. Amitraz collars are more effective than Top Spot, as amitraz paralyzes the tick's mouthparts preventing transmission of disease.

**VACCINATIONS NOT RECOMMENDED* *

Multiple components in vaccines compete with each other for the immune system and result in lesser immunity for each individual disease as well as increasing the risk of a reaction. Canine Corona Virus is only a disease of puppies. It is rare, self limiting (dogs get well in 3 days without treatment). Cornell & Texas A&M have only diagnosed one case each in the last 7 years. Corona virus does not cause disease in adult dogs.*

*Leptospirosis vaccine is a common cause of adverse reactions in dogs. Most of the clinical cases of lepto reported in dogs in the US are caused by serovaars (or types) grippotyphosa and bratsilvia. The vaccines contain different serovaars eanicola and ictohemorrhagica. Cross protection is not provided and protection is short lived. Lepto vaccine is immuno-supressive to puppies less than 16 weeks.

NEW DEVELOPMENTS:

Giardia is the most common intestinal parasite of humans in North America, 30% or more of all dogs & cats are infected with giardia. It has now been demonstrated that humans can transmit giardia to dogs & cats and vice versa.*

Heartworm preventative must be given year-round in Houston.

*VACCINES BADLY NEEDED

New vaccines in development include: Feline Immunodeficiency Virus and cat scratch fever vaccine for cats and Ehrlichia [one of the other tick diseases, much worse than Lyme] for dogs.

THE VIEW FROM THE TRENCHES; BUSINESS ASPECTS

Most vets recommend annual boosters and most kennel operators require them. For years, the pricing structure of vets has misled clients into thinking that the inherent value of an annual office visit was in the "shots". They failed to emphasize the importance of a physical exam for early detection of treatable diseases. It is my hope that you will continue to require Rabies & Kennel cough and emphasize the importance of a recent vet exam. I also hope you will accept the new protocols and honor these pets as currently vaccinated. Those in the boarding business who will honor the new vaccine facilities reluctant to change.

CONCLUSION

Dogs & cats no longer need to be vaccinated against distemper, parvo, & feline leukemia every year. Once the initial series of puppy or kitten vaccinations and first annual vaccinations are completed, immunity from MLV vaccines persists for life. It has been shown that cats over 1 year of age are immune to Feline Leukemia whether they have been vaccinated or not.

Imagine the money you will save, not to mention less risks from side effects, risk of mediated hemolytic anemia and allergic reactions are reduced by less frequent use of vaccines as well as by avoiding unnecessary vaccines such as K-9 Corona virus and chlamydia for cats, as well as ineffective vaccines such as Leptospirosis and FIP. Intranasal vaccine for Rhiotracheitis and Calici virus, two upper respiratory viruses of cats provide more complete protection than injectable vaccines with less risk of serious reactions.

The AAHA and all 27 veterinary schools of North America are our biggest endorsement for these new protocols.*

*Dr. Bob Rogers*

Please consider as current on all vaccinations for boarding purposes.

DOGS Initial series of puppy vaccines:

1. Distemper, hepatitis, parvo, parinfluenze - 3 sets one month apartconcluding at 16 weeks of age.*

2. Rabies at 16 weeks of age (later is better)

3. Bordetella within last 4-6 months First annual (usually at 1 year and 4 months of age)*

1. DHP, Parvo, Rabies

2. Bordetella within last 4-6 months 2 years or older

1. Rabies within last year

2. Bordetella within last 4-6 months

3. DHP & Parvo given anytime over 6 months of age , but not necessarily within the last year.

Recommended: Physical exam for transmissible diseases and health risks.

 

The three most common wormers I've seen, and used, in an Animal Hosp or bordering/show kennel are

Strongid T
Panacur (Safe Guard)
Droncit Tabs.

Vets were big also on selling the monthly tabs for Heart Worm, the only time I've used Ivomec is for treating mange.

For some reason people have transfered their love of medicating themselves ( a pill for every problem )to their dogs. There are certain protocols that do make sense.

Worm twice a year regularly (If in kennel situation ) or when symptoms appear. Dogs can "carry a worm load" to a certain extent. It's when it gets an upper hand that we need to treat. One of the first signs of a worm infestation may be a cough. Read up on how a parasite that your dog picked on a walk can actually be transported through their lungs.

Do your puppy shots. A pup gets its immunity during their first 24 hours or so of nursing. The dams first "milk" is loaded with it so make sure every pup nurses well during that period. But, that acquired immunity only lasts for approx 6-8 weeks which is why the vaccination schedule is set up the way it is. Do the full round up to and including Rabies (16 wks). That dog is not done developing until about three years. Do yearly boosters until it hits that age. Then do as Valkyrian_danger said and do it every three years or get titre tests done and go by that.

At the very least do Parvo and Rabies and be aware that the vaccination may not cover the strain that your dog might contact. It's like the flu shot in humans. It's produce on guess work. They try and predict which strains they will need to protect your dog against and if they're right, your dog is protected. If they're not, a well vaccinated dog will still not be protected.

Be smart about it. Investigate what diseases are prevalent in your area. If their is no Lepto, don't vaccinate for it etc....

I do agree with Burger's point however poorly presented. People tend to over medicate their animals. But, I recommend you don't take their advice however well it may work for them, your situation is different and unique to you. Do your research, find out what you need to worry about in your zone and treat accordingly.

DryCreek

 

The DVM's that I have and work for in the last 10 yrs do require a annual pe upon vx. I manage and opperate a large portion of the company I work for. I have the ability to facilitate and house 200 animals in the daily opperations. It is my job to manage and minamize the risk of exposure of infectious diseases. I am proud to say that since I took my particular job that this facility has not had an infectious outbreak on any level of disease in almost 4 yrs. An as much as I love to toot my own horn LOL. this couldn't be done with out a comprehensive effect vaccine protocol. In my world...anytype of out break is not acceptable. Excuses are meant for other ppl made by other ppl, I'm not havin it!

 

this is a highly contraversial subject. what people usually dont know is you can have your dog titered< a measurment of antibodys> after the series of puppy shots. it does cost about 50.00. it will tell you how much antibodys your dog has. in many cases a dog can have lifetime immunity and may never need another distemper or parvo shot again. hemo pet is an excellent online resource in finding more info. i do it. i like it. it is more expensive than a lifetime of shots but i know im not filling my dog full of unnecesary toxins, yes vaccinations are full of heavy metals to arsenic that can cause diseases and cancer. i use to think the more i vaccinated the better off my dogs were untill i had a child and educated myself on the truth about vaccines. yes our dogs do need to be vaccinated but overvaccinating is very harmful to. cancer is the #1 killer of everything. i lost many dogs to lymphoma and i do blame it on my unknowingly doing the wrong things<what society and our vets tell us>thinking i was doing the right responsible thing. vaccinations are linked from autism in our children cushings in dogs.it is very common for a dog to be vaccinated against lymes disease and still get lymes disease some vaccines dont do anything but play havoc on our loved ones immune system. i could go on forever ... if your interested educate yourself there is lots of info out there.

 

it cost about 300$ here to send titers to idexx. An yes over vaccinating is dangerous. That is why manufactures are moving to 3 and some 7 yr vaccines as they reconize this and there is a better solution to management. But the biggest problem with the "No vaccince" movement is that ppl do not ensure that their animals have the propper levels of immunity. They just stop vaccinating or don't vaccinate at all.

 

I do 5 way shots for puppies at 6, 9, 12, and 16 weeks and then give a 5 way booster at a year old then just rabies vacs every three years.

 

Well by law the only vaccine that you are reqiured is Rabies. Vaccinating is a personal choice. However my experience and exposure is not the same as what your's is....simply b/c of what I do and what I have done for the past 20 years. I have had a fully vacinated 3yr old bitch come down with parvo in my own yard. Fortunately I pay attention and was able to isolate her from the rest of the herd lol. I can even tell you how she was exposed. My then brother in law had come by and he was petting this dog. later in the visit I learned that he had been cleaning out dead dogs from under neath someones house. 3 days later she started showing a-symptommatic symptoms.

Again ppl do as you want. but with what I do, it sucks to have an animal come down sick in my home or place of biz. prevention is the key for me.

 

why is parvo more rampant in Texas? I've never heard of this.

Burger has a good point about over vaccination, my dogs get the 7 in 1 then the rabids, and that's it and they are all fine. I didn't realize that it was different in other parts of the country.

 

Not sure it just is. I know countless people with dogs not even gamebred dogs. All the time i give them information but the pups or dogs die. Friend of mines almost 2 yr old dog died of parvo.

http://www.parvobuster.org/parvo-treatment/parvo-hotspots-are-you-safe

 

i agree with most..depending on where u live will dictate ur vaccination schedule(in pups)..here n texas ur ass will definantly b grass if u only vaccinate once n think ur gonna b ok...my litter had been vaccinated twice n still got the shit!!!! so kno ur surroundings...i heard that 5-1 or 7-1 is a safer bet than the 8-1...arent they the same thing with 1extra med in the 8-1???dnt see how 8-1 wld b less effective...wut r u guys exerience between the two???

 

http://www.revivalanimal.com/pet-supplies/vaccines.htm

Here is a link that you can use for a quick study of the different vaccines that are on the market.

 

yep, that's what i do, too. Parvo aint no joke down here.

 

Is that for real or is it a scam?

 

Ive never used it but from what i hear its very legit.

 

When I first saw it I thought scam, I am not sure though. I posted it for the info....

1 gram of infected feces contains 95 million virus particles. It takes as little as 100 particles to infect your dog.
<TABLE border=0 align=center><TBODY><TR><TD align=middle>Put this in perspective. 1 gram = 0.0352739619 ounces

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