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Keeping blood tight or tightening good dogs blood.

Discussion in 'Breeder Discussion' started by Tommygunn, May 22, 2010.

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  1. gringopistolero

    gringopistolero CH Dog

    I'm just curious, if you are getting good dogs why would you not linebreed/inbreed to keep getting those good dogs? Seems to me that outcrossing would be like fixing something that's not broken... and you would be using parts that you were not sure would even fit!
     
    gringopistolero, May 26, 2010
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  2. slim12

    slim12 Super Moderator Staff Member

    both philosophies work and both do not....i'm no breeder....i have always bought the pups/dogs that i worked with....it takes like ten million variables out of owning good dogs....the breeding i am doing now (when she comes in) because these two dogs possess everything i would look for in a bulldog...so the breeding is both a paper breeding (it is a breeding based on two exceptional families of bolio and redboy)...but it is two dogs who have been up and down the road and really proud to bring them home....she may not be as smart as the male, but he has enough brains for two or three....so it is a good dog to good dog breeding....the history is also there...the kasai male has produced numerous winners.....the spiffy/lucky breedings made those two dogs ROM without the other breedings being made....and the redboy/medlins outlaw (half brother to redboy) are highly regarded thru-out near every circle...this is two dogs who were outcrossed and brought back together....so it can be viewed from many directions....i look at it as two good dogs that should produce performers....and if they perform they should produce....but that is like 2 to 4 years from now....US1
     
    slim12, May 26, 2010
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  3. Tommygunn

    Tommygunn Big Dog

    Thanks for the insight so far I have had nothing but success with inbreeding. But it was very carefully thought out. I bred a son to mother then bred the father back to the daughter out of that litter the pups out that litter are all dynomite.. No complaints on any so far.. Scratch mu head hell yeah to a bald spot..but then I remember..all we have is time.
     
    Tommygunn, May 26, 2010
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  4. slim12

    slim12 Super Moderator Staff Member

    seen some father daughter breedings i liked over the years but have never seen a son to mother work out...not sure why...just have not...the dogs that are 'inbred on paper' but not exactly the same is the uncle to niece breedings....look thru the andy capp and calvin breedings...they were brothers and two of the all time greats....their best breedings were to each others daughters....1/2 brother sister is as close as i get....especially if both the brother and sister carry the genes/traits of their sire/dam....US1


     
    slim12, May 29, 2010
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  5. Laced Wit Game

    Laced Wit Game Yard Boy

    thats what i was thinkin, i thought keepin it "tight" was "inbreeding"?!?!:confused: lol
     
    Laced Wit Game, May 29, 2010
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  6. Tommygunn

    Tommygunn Big Dog

    I guess to me tightening good blood or a good dog rather means doing a immediate family inbreed once maybe twice to lock in traits off that dog. Keeping blood tight IMO means breeding to a sire or bitch with same line of dogs but not the same family...hope this helps feel free to correct... I will still be learning the day I die about this great breed.
     
    Tommygunn, May 29, 2010
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  7. Bmf_bt

    Bmf_bt Big Dog

    I like the concept of keeping at least four thightly bred dogs from different lines and i mean THIGHT, almost so thight that it should affect their performans. If they still are good dogs, then I feel they have it in them. Then breed these dogs from different lines, cross them a couple times. Cull there offspring really hard and do brother/sister breeding. The pups of this breeding will usually become gold.

    The more tight dogs you have the better...

    This might make me it more of a "semi-breeding" strategy because the grandparents are always from another breeder and basically he has already done the hard work, but thats just what i like to do.
     
    Bmf_bt, May 29, 2010
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  8. HELLACUDA!!!

    HELLACUDA!!! Pup

    shouldn't these b one in the same? if ur gonna keep the blood tight , shouldn't it be the blood of good dogs?
     
    HELLACUDA!!!, Jan 18, 2011
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  9. slim12

    slim12 Super Moderator Staff Member

    the traits is what should be bred for, not tight this or tight that...dogs can be inbred on paper and not genetically be inbred....an example...(just picking a dog)...Bolio was bred to a bitch and the best daughter of this litter was brought back to Bolio. On paper this is a father-daughter in breeding....but what if she took no traits from the topside and took all the traits from the bottom side...so when bred back to Bolio it theory it is another cross, although the paperwork will say inbred....and the other daughter in that litter is everything Bolio...when she is bred to him it would be a genetic inbreeding as well as a paper bred inbreeding....
    the 'negative aspects' develop when the breeding is based on papers alone....US1
     
    slim12, Jan 19, 2011
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  10. marshall619

    marshall619 Top Dog

    Good post! I've never bred a dog so I've never looked at it this way... inbred on paper and genetically, but trait wise another cross. Makes a lot of sense though :) Couldn't agree more with your last statement ;)
     
    marshall619, Jan 19, 2011
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  11. tknls

    tknls Pup

    I would rather worry about what's on my own yard and not so much on what the next dogman/dogwoman is doing. U will never get another's persons recipe,u might get a taste but never all the ingredients....jmo........yis....tknls
     
    tknls, Jan 19, 2011
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