3 different types of staffords

i see what you mean, but the dog has it or not and you are right about this. Ive witnessed some dogs that would engaged until the moment of truth, bail out and then they realise they that they are not cut out for the job. i know short legs would not change the dogs mental stage, lol! its been a while since i've seen or heard of a showstock bred with good heart and determination. some things are just hard to explain over the internet or in writing maybe this would come across different than what i want to explain.

any showstock or short legged stafford come to mind doing some real work and not quitting after 10 minutes of it?

 

I see what you guys mean, but..The dog can have as much heart as it wants but if the build don't support it then the dog can't do shit.. So to speak

 

Lol !!!!!

 

Jack the lad……I don’t know if you are in the uk,..if you are you will know that a ‘few miles down the road’ can be a different accent,……a different community…...a different history and tradition….hell even a different football club..! Glasgow anyone..!!
These are not my own words but I thought I would post them ,out of interest to this thread….
　
MAKING THE STANDARD
Making the Standard was one of the first duties that fell to the SBTC. It was gone into thoroughly by a body of experts, men with years of experience and ownership in the breed. Two good current dogs were set up as excellent examples of the breed. They were Harry Pegg's Joe (Fearless Joe) and Mrs. J. Shaw's Jim (Jim the Dandy), the former a fawn, the latter a brindle. Their anatomy and structural points were examined, and a lot of old sketches, prints and photographs discussed. It will be understood that in any breed, provided a number of examples are available, some features will be more or less uniform or common to the majority. Assuming that these characteristics are sound ones they can then be accepted as being typical of the breed. Some difficulties were at first experienced in the discussions, for a wide range of types and sizes existed in Staffords in those days. It was natural that those who owned the big bulldoggy types claimed theirs were the right type, while those with the long-muzzled lightweights supported theirs. It needed a lot of tact and discretion on the part of club officials to convince these enthusiasts who was right and who was wrong, while still retaining their interest, to say nothing of their memberships. Clearly, the Stafford as a fighting dog had natural physical attributes expected of a combatant canine. Where these were found common to a number of dogs they were accepted as desiderata in the breed, and eventually a Standard was formulated and passed to the Kennel Club for approval. For some time argument was rife in Staffordshire towns like Walsall, Darlaston, and Cradley Heath, each of which had different ideas as to what constituted a good Stafford. However, as their opinion in the main of a good Stafford was one that fought and won, they were hardly qualified to pass worthwhile comment of any kind on what constituted a good type for exhibition.
　
Nothing had been done to standardise any type, for courage and physical fitness were still the only things which mattered. Any dog which proved unusually successful in the pit was certain to be used as a sire irrespective of his looks and there was still a wide variation of types which have since become curiously localised. In the Walsall district it is common to find dogs of 34-38 lbs which are tall enough to convey a suggestion of whippet in their ancestry. My own theory of this is that a faint cross of bull terrier was sometimes used to impart endurance to whippets and it is possible that the offspring of one of these crosses displayed sufficient aptitude for fighting to have been crossed back to bull terriers, for agility in the pit is as necessary as courage. Only a few miles from Walsall, in the Darlaston district, the Staffords obviously favour their terrier forbears. They are much "finer" in the muzzle and obviously "terrier faced." They are smaller altogether and lighter boned, turning the scale at from 25-38 lbs, and occasionally] even lighter. The Darlaston men say all the others "must have been crossed with mastiff" and that "theirs" are the only real Staffords.

To confound them both, there is a third type to be found in the Cradley Heath area a few miles to the west. This time it is obvious that some members in the pedigree had more than a nodding acquaintance with a bulldog. Short, thick muzzle and broad skull, tremendous spring of ribs and breadth of chest, muscles which seem to be symbolic of power, everything combines to convey an impression of doggedness. This time agility has been sacrificed for strength and yet there is an unmistakable resemblance between all three types. The expression of the face is the same and the way the tail is carried drooping like a pump handle; the characteristic high-pitched staccato bark and the mincing springy walk, which emphasises the constant craving for action. Who can say that one type is "right" and the others "wrong"? Who can say that this dog is a "real" Stafford and that is not? Until very recent years, nobody minded very much so long as each was willing to give a good account in the pit. But that is changing now.

Fighting was the original purpose of the breed, yet all which do not waddle round the show ring without any display of fire are penalised. I have heard long arguments about which type is best for the pit. Some like the "reachey" dog, like the Walsall breed, because he can "fight down" on his adversary. Some like the stocky Cradley type because they are hard to knock off their feet. Some like the little terrier-like dogs which are so nippy and can do such damage by shaking. In the pit one triumphs today and another tomorrow. Despite the fact that failures were not given the opportunity to perpetuate their like, there were many good dogs of each type that there could have been nothing to choose for prowess. Yet the money to be by made by selling "pedigree" dogs is inducing owners not only to "standardise" to an arbitrary type but to exaggerate the points of that type, so that it appears more powerful by being thicker and lower to ground and bigger in skull than was any dog which fought in the pit.


　

 

I know what your saying but you can walk from walsall to darlaston in half an hour so if i ad a good bitch and say my mate's dog just lost to a good dog in darlaston I would go and use that dog to my bitch.And I bet this would of happend the other way around to.Ok cradley is a bit fare away from them so the dogs may look a bit different.they are that close darlaston is now a part of walsall.

 

Just found this old topic,

Great read, I love the history behind the SBT.

 

Great picture...........

 

These dogs should have been culled......3xbitches, 2xmales+1 bitch, 2xbitches+1 male, 3xmales. Should be carnage not a photo shoot. Hell take ANY staff off the street and they would engage.......they may not finish but they WILL certainly oblige.

 

the same shouldve been done with many known lines of bulldogs you and others may like, but instead they were given the opportunity to procreate. i believe staffords had the right to do the same

 

And you write checks your ass cant cash!

 

hammer ....99% tired of yer mouth .Where you at ..Me and you should "TALK"

 

In evolution form follows function, in the here and now form dictates function.

 

Touched a nevre guys..........lol

Just bred my main stud to a decent bitch and even she scratched into him after they unlocked. Muzzles, chain set ups, breeding stands, breaking sticks are there fore a reason. I know hot water cools fast and Ive got a real cool customer in my stud but three dog combo is a problem i dont want.

Its an amazing photo of "game" dogs if thats what they are.

As for ^^^ comment.....I dont breed for mouth lol. Durability and gameness is what i favour. I like a smart dog aswell. But im not a keen stafford fan but had a cross 20 years ago that needed a pickup. He was very keen. Damn brindle one was good. But seems that was then and this is now.

YIS

 

whats the 3 different type of Staffs ?....

 

Your posts are so stupid it hurts. You show your lack of knowledge time and time again! You should keep your mouth shut and read and learn. And no, I dont feed staffords if you wondered

 

Im still wondering what the 3 types of staff are

 

read the rest o the post in this thred , they give a great account what Types the title is refering to ...Im no expert on stafford ,still learning the history,But there is a lot of good info on this thred.

 

I thought ther was show dogs and some who are still tested ?

 

"type" describes how a dog looks !!

 

As Jaco said ....physical appearance...But also working method wether it be head dog, hard mouth wrestler....etc.
Show dogs I would call a type but in this thred, if I can answer for you C, 12 guage is discussing Three basic types of staffords as they were developed and bread for game .So realy if you count the show stuff that is another type but "developed" or ruined, after the KC recognized the breed in 1935.This happened when People Breed only for show and not work,they tend to breed for and even outcross for over exadurated traights to try to score and win shows .The Types 12 is refering to were developed prior to a KC Breed standard and bred for a purpose and style of work and as such just as with the show stuff form follows function.