badger baiting bust

Again just like with the other topics in discussion. there is a right way and awrong way to do things. Or in this case right and wrong reasons. there are always goin to be individuals who are doing it for the wrong reasons. and for everyone of them there is someone doing it for all the right reasons (food, population, sport ect),that do things the right way. No doubt that there are folks hunting just for the sake of killing something. Even in those cases it still aids in controling population, does it not ? I just don't see how it would be better or worse then matching dogs :rolleyes:. We are comparing Apples to Oranges. JMO. However Grand Standing....... that is your opinion and i respect it .


Vic

 

Killing pests is one thing.
Hunting another one.
But getting ready to massacre a protected specy is pure non sens

 

I am a very avid hunter You can ask any one who has broke bread at my home More than likley you are eating wild game for the meat. But that is not hunting you have two dogs on a badger in an open yard not in the woods or in the ground he is totaly unable to win witch is un fair. That is the kind of bullshit that will make it harder for us real hunters to keep hunting. To me that proves nothing about those dogs you have a dog three times bigger and putting 2 of them on it come on! You want to see how good your dog is let it find it in the woods dig in its borrow and go face to face with that badger I bet that dog would have a whole new out look on things. And you cant even compare hog hunting with that nothing like that.

 

Every hunter wether knowlingly or not, is hunting to contol population, seeing as the tags that are offered to hunt any particular animal (at least here in the States) are at the requests of wildlife biologist who study wildlife managment in that piticular area, they do all the research and counting of local wildlife populations and in turn, turn that info over to the State game commissions and the game commissions allow so many tags to be issued, usually the number that would make the aminal population the healthiest so the reality is even if you say you hunt for any other reason other than population control your still hunting in reality to control populations...................I also eat the meat but don't think you have to personally as long as you give it to somewhere that will use the animal......I like to shoot 2 deer for ever 1,000 dollars of damage they do to my car a year,

 

Every single person that hunts legally is controlling populations wether they realize it or not. To kill an animal you need a tag. Tags are distributed by the department of fish and game(dfg). The dfg decides the amount of tags based ON WHAT IS BEST FOR THE POPULATION. Populations have been thrown off balance by our spreading infrastructure.
Here in CA we banned hunting mt. lions. People felt the animal was to majestic to be hunted. Well last time i was in the woods all i saw were lions but no deer. I have hunted this area for years and have always seen many deer. Whats going on is the mt lion are eating up all the deer. Next year the excess amount of mt lions will have no food and will starve to death. I dont know if you have ever seen a predator like this starve to death but it is a very sad sight.
Hunters provide all the funds for restoration work as well through donations and by buying tags.
edit: wow i guess i should have read agk's post firtst. The same thing was said lmao

 

I never said anything about eating everything i kill. If i kill a mangy coyote its going to stay where it lays and be fertilizer. And i still frequent the grocery store.
All i was trying to say is that i truly appreciate learning about the animal i hunt. I respect that animal by being an ethical hunter and taking clean shots. Killing animals is still an emotional thing for me.:o I think by getting all of your meat from the grocery store you start lose reality that your eating flesh from a living animal.
I wanted to take my girl deer hunting last season and she said she couldnt cuz she thought of Bambi. WTF? Disney generation!

 

I agree, I still have not seen a Bulldog yet on that tape. Everything that shakes and screams is not a bulldog. I saw a dog on that video that looked like Benji. The tape does look bad but we should not have to fight the fights that are not ours. That video had nothing to do with the pitbull community. Besides the misleading caption below the video about this being a pitbull cross. (anything that bites anything now a days is mixed with a pitbull). I will be the first to tell you i could careless about a badger. I have no Idea what it is or have every seen one. I agree nothing should have to die like that. I'd rather seen a Patterdale. Good Post

 

You love bulldogges so your cool with me............

 

I respect your opinions as well. Do your part for your local wildlife and go hunting

 

would it be humane to rear naked choke a boar?? If so then Im in...

 

As far as the whole "eat what you kill" statement goes, I was talking about hunting..When it comes down to hunting I believe that you should eat what you kill, wether it be deer,boar,caribou,etc..

Is hunting cruel?.I dont think so, but the animal is in his own enviorment,thus giving him a "fair chance" at survival..When a animal is delibritly put into a enclosure with no chance of escaping or "winning", that in my opinion is not only unfair, but it is cruel..

As far as eating roaches, and or pests goes, I see it like this..

Comparing roaches to badgers is rediculous (at least in my opinion)..

Now I am far from the bunny loving type, I just dont believe in "sensless killing"..If a skunk is stealing chickens out of the coop, well then dispatch him, as he is being a pest, but if that same skunk is simply taking a stroll thru the field why would there be a need to kill him?.Because of what he MIGHT do?.I guess I just believe in the old saying Live & let Live..

 

I agree. I just said roaches because it was the first pest that came to mind I knew noone would want to eat :p. But I agree with you in the case of the skunk if he is causing a problem then it should be delt with. Otherwise it should be let alone. The video sound fucked up and cruel. I'm still goin of of that bcause I still haven't seen the damn thing. But I trust the opinions I've herd.


Vic

 

LMAO That would have to be one hell of a choke.

 

i have read all the opinions on this subject and trust me i have good knowlege about this topic.badgers was used commonly in the 1920's as a sport and a game test for mostly bull terriers and in my opinion they are fair game.for the bull to even pass the test of gameness the dog had to drag the badger from a barrel or box when doing this the dog had to go face first and confront the badger with a good hold and drag it out and that was as far as the test went and the dogs never came out without wounds sometimes permanently disfigured.from my experience it only takes a few minutes to do but if the dog and badger is left hard at it it can take up to 2 and a half hours for the process to end and believe me that takes a hard dog to do.i have witnessed footage of dogs collapsing after 45 minutes and the badger runs away clean . thats just my opinion on this topic.

 

There is a big difference from drawing a badger from an artificial earth and baiting the creature, I've witnessed it and it's not very nice. There's nothing wrong with digging one and humanely killing one if it as become a pest

 

i have a good knowlege about this topic and have read most of your comments and in my opinion a badger is fair game for any bull terrier.badgers were commonly used in the 1920's as a sport and game test.the badger would usually be put in a barrel or box for day or two then the dog would be placed infront of barrel or box.at this stage the badger would become very nervous and aggressive and the dog would be released at that instant the timekeeper would start the clock and the dog would have to go face first into the barrel or box and drag the competition out.when successfully done the clock would be stopped.the dogs did not come out unscaved thats for sure not to mention leaving them to finish the fight which could take up to 2 hours to despatch it and that takes a hard dog to take that sort of punishment without quitting.thats my opinion

 

yes i do agree with that but it does take a gamdog 2 do that

 

Dig your dog and shoot the quarry. "Testing your dog", don't make me f*ckin laugh! The true test of man and dog is in the digging, and the terrier staying till dug to. Respect your quarry.

 

spot on couldnt agree more

 

im not talking about terriers going down holes! im talking about baiting with bulls! if it wasnt a test then why has badger baiting been done for hundreds of years to show gameness and tenacity in a dog.the irish kennel club governed the ''TEASTAS MOR' (CERTIFICATE OF GAMENESS) in the 1900's so what does that say! It must be a test on the dog.