supplements for conditioning

I still don't understand why people cut out certain supplements a week or so before showtime because they think it will make there charge "run hot".
If it worked in and during the whole keep and your dog never "ran hot" then it will work just the same during the show/hunt/pull. Most dogs "run hot" because of the way there owners cut out water to bring them in on weight (eg. dex/azium or cut water 2 days out)! Also on showday some people give things to the dog they never gave through out the whole keep in the last minute (eg. energy boosters, caffeine, honey, etc....) these things all have an affect on your dog especially if he has never experienced it!

YIS

 

The problem with Creatine is the UNKNOWNS from a medical perspective.

Creatine is a source of energy for muscle contraction. The body produces its own creatine in the liver, kidneys and pancreas. You also get it in your diet when you eat meat or fish. (Vegetarians may have less creatine.) The body stores most of the creatine in skeletal muscle to use when you exercise. The rest goes in the heart, brain and other tissues.
Although people/dogs respond differently, taking creatine supplements may increase the amount of creatine in muscles.

• Muscles may be able to generate more energy or generate energy at a faster rate. ​
• Some people think taking creatine supplements along with training may improve performance for quick bursts of intense energy, such as sprinting and weightlifting. ​

Vegetarians and other people/dogs with lower amounts of natural creatine may see more of a difference from taking creatine supplements. There may be a "saturation point" that limits how much creatine muscles can store.
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People or dogs who take creatine supplements may gain weight caused by muscles holding water. Other side effects of long-term use include muscle cramps, stomach cramps, dehydration, diarrhea, nausea and seizures. It may be dangerous to take creatine supplements while undergoing dehydration (i.e., for wrestling competition) or if you are trying to lose weight.

• No one knows YET what may happen to important organ systems like the heart, brain, kidneys, liver and reproductive organs if you take creatine supplements. ​
• There may be an allergic reaction (difficulty breathing; closing of the throat; swelling of the lips, tongue, or face; or hives) ​
• No one knows what may happen if you combine creatine supplements with over-the-counter medications, prescription drugs, vitamins, etc. ​
• Since it has the effect of fluid retention in muscle, it might increase blood pressure in the same way high sodium levels do, but this has not been established or refuted. Also, it is expensive. ​
• There are some anecdotal reports of other side effects, including kidney and liver damage, muscle cramps during exercise in the heat and increased number of muscle strains and pulls. ​

Medical researchers are studying the safety and effectiveness of creatine supplements. They also are studying if creatine supplements may help to treat diseases that cause muscles to shrink and fail, such as heart failure/disease, muscular/neuromuscular diseases, and stroke. ​

 

When trying to achieve a high level of performance from your dogs you have to treat them like world class athletes. World class supplements will be needed to achieve world class performance from world class athletes.

 

100% correct.

 

deer meat is the highest in the world in creatine. I feed that. You guys do what you want spead this all around. Things sound good on paper But in the real world it is not that way. Belive me if ya want but the truth is they dont need that crap AND TOO MUCH MEAT WILL BURN UP THE KIDNEYS. and make them run hot. people say dogs dont need carbs but if you take them away watch the energy fall off. Look I have worked dogs for 20 years and I dont really care what book ya read or website ya looked at The truth is dogs are dogs and the shit we take may be bad for them and if we ate cobalt well let me put it to ya like this try some they will be walking slow and singing sad songs. I am done with this I dont care what you do It will make me look better in the hunt. I think all you guys that want to read someting and think they know it all GIVE old man Lemms book a try He was a very top level dog man and he also built a hell of a mill. J

 

And yall want ther sides from this??????? JUST WHAT I WAS SAYING!!!!

 

http://www.mayoclinic.com/health/creatine/NS_patient-creatine

"Enhanced muscle mass / strength

Several high-quality studies have shown an increase in muscle mass with the use of creatine. However, some weaker studies have reported mixed results. Overall, the available evidence suggests that creatine does increase lean body mass, strength, and total work. Future studies should take into account the effect of different individual fitness levels of study subjects."


Congestive heart failure (chronic)
"Patients with chronic heart failure have low levels of creatine in their hearts. Several studies report that creatine supplements may improve heart muscle strength, body weight, and endurance in patients with heart failure. Studies comparing creatine with drugs used to treat heart failure are needed before a firm recommendation can be made. Heart failure should be treated by a qualified healthcare professional."

It was discovered in 1832 and has been used by athletes since the 1970s.

Take a gander at these side effects:
"Anorexia, headache, bluffed vision, loss of hair, bleeding lips, cracking and peeling skin, muscular stiffness and pain, severe liver enlargement and damage, anemia, fetal abnormalities (pregnant women must be very careful), menstrual irregularities, extreme fatigue, liver damage, injury to brain and nervous system." - Vitamin A

"Increased urinary oxalate and uric acid levels in rare cases, impaired carotene utilization, chelation (binding of vitamin C with minerals) and resultant loss of minerals may occur, sudden discontinuation can cause rebound scurvy. Kidney and bladder stones, urinary tract irritation, increased tendency for blood to clot, breakdown of red blood cells in persons with certain common genetic disorders (such as glucose-6-phosphate dehydrogenase deficiency, common in persons of African origin), may induce B12 deficiency." Vitamin C

 

CROSS POSTED:

http://www.musclemayhem.com/forums/showthread.php?t=50758

http://www.ironmagazineforums.com/supplements/84194-vpx-s-new-meltdown.html

To each his own.

 

Supplements are essential in any good, solid keep. If your supplementation is deficient in B-complex vitamins, then the high stress put on your dog from your keep will only bring your dog in tired and weak. B-complex vitamins help the body distribute and utilize sugar to produce energy. The carbohydrates in your dry feed alone is not enough to fuel your dog's training regiment, let alone the show! Brewer's Yeast is a highly concentrated form of B-complex vitamins that is water soluble and inexpensive. Two teaspoons along with your other supplements/feed will do the trick. Trust me!