Spay= Fearful atitude & urination?

Spay= Fearful atitude & urination?

Hi there, I am more of a reader than a poster. I am going to refrain from posting this on the other boards so I need as much advice on this one if possible and I will give as much information as possible.

My girl Kaeda turned 2 in April. Being a supporter of "responsible owners" and not "fix every dog immediately" I chose to leave her intact until April, I had gone to a few fun shows and was working mostly with obed and agility but was told her head was a little smaller (whippety) than the judges would like and she is a bit roachy. Her only drive was to go out go potty, do the zoomies then come in. She prefered being a lounge beside the couch hound anyway. So I decided to have her Spayed.

Now if I or my boyfriend tells her firmly "Kaeda, NO" if she is rooting though a plant or something she looks at us like we can go to hell then squats and pees then halls ass into her crate terrified looking. If she get playing too rough with the puppy and we turn and make the "eeehhhhhh, stop it" she looks terrified and pees. Just last night we were trying to fix the covers and go to bed and said "Kaeda, Down" she looked at us indignantly and peed (not little, like a flood) then ran all fearful like into her crate.

Neither one of us has ever hit / beaten this dog, it has always been positive reinforcement except for the lite boot with a foot when she is laying on my legs at 4AM. She is extreamly gentle and well mannered until now. Now she is like a teenager who owns the world and it getting even. Anyone have anything to help out? I am truely baffled.

 

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Seems odd maybe there is something medically wrong with her. How long has it been since she had the surgery?

 

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She was spayed April of this year.

 

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It doesn't sound like it's from the spaying.

I'd say get her to a vet, just to check things out. If everything turns out fine there, then maybe try a behaviorist.

If it's not that, it might be something more mental.

 

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I agree doesnt sound like it is from the surgery. Need to get her checked out.

 

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I've come across a few animals who had incontinence due to being spayed, this sounds like your case as well.

Hormone pills are normally what is prescribed.

As said before, have a vet check her out, but I'll bet that's what it is.

The fear, probably comes from a house trained dog, losing control of her bladder, recognizing it, and fearing retribution.

 

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None of the dogs I ever had spayed experienced a change of behavior because of it. I have heard of spay incontinence, though I've never experienced it personally. The peeing problems could be related to a UTI. Our Dogo had one of those, and he would squat and let everything go right in front of us, but he couldn't help it. Or it could be submissive urination, since it seems to be related to correction.

 

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I am going to go with submissive or assertive urination, Since I am having to handle and wash the covers by hand I have noticed there is not dark yellow coloring nor is there an "odd" smell. I have an appointment for Kaeda but I do not think there is a UTI.

It happened again last night, She jumped on the bed (as she usually does while waiting for my boyfriend to come out of the shower) he asked her to get down with "Kaeda, Down off the bed" she looked at me and seemed to ignore him. I looked and said "Kaeda, Down. Off the bed NOW" and she stood up, squatted and peed while looking straight at me, She actually Peed ON ME. :confused: :eek:

 

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Spay incontinence and frequent UTI infections most commonly occur in young females who are spayed at 12 weeks of age or younger. It is quite rare for an older bitch to develop spay incontinence.

However, I would have the dog checked for a urinary tract infection (UTI). Bring the dog into the vet and let them catch urine. If you are that opposed to a vet visit, at least buy a clean ziploc container, wash it in the dishwasher, and then walk your dog and catch some urine. Then take it to the vet so they can run a urinalysis and spin it down to check for crystals.

As for her behavior change, altering a dog does not make happy-go-lucky dogs all of a sudden become nervous and fearful. Either it's just a conincidence and the timing of the spay has corresponded with the maturing of the dog, or something/someone IS doing something to cause your dog to be this way (of course if someone is acting out towards her, they sure as hell aren't going to admit it to you ).

And as for not thinking it's a UTI, it may not be, but you cannot tell just by looking at the color of the urine. If you can see blood in the urine (visible to the naked eye), then you've let it get seriously out of control.

 

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good post!
and yeah, ruling out any other health issues (in particular a UTI) it's not real uncommon to have a female lose control of the bladder after or even due to this surgery. if this is the case, as written above, typically hormone pills are the prescribed method to help remedy this situation.
good luck!

 

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Note to self: do not take dogs to be spayed at a clinic where UTIs and spay incontinence is not an uncommon outcome.................:rolleyes:

 

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with all surgeries, there is always an element of risk...
and no, not a 'real common thing', but, ... does it happen on occassion? yes, ...it does.


note to self: Miakoda, an ADMINISTRATOR, would rather make 'fun' of someone, then point out an obvious typo... TY, for setting such a fine example.

 

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Look, hormonal-responsive urethral incompetence, aka spay incontinence, is diagnosed with a description of urinating normally with the observation that the dog leaks urine when at rest (passive leaking). That was never described by the op.

What was described is that whenever the dog is fussed at, then she squats and pees. IMO it sounds completely like submissive urination. That is NOT incontinence.

And once again for good measure, altering a dog does not change its temperament.

To the op, get the dog to the vet and discuss the issue with your vet. If you choose to not do that, then there is nothing more anyone can help you with. Receptionists are not vets.

 

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Went to the vet. They took her in back and did/attempted a draw of urine from the bladder. They had her sit and went to touch her tummy or something and she hosed the table she was on, How they got it was up to them No UTI, but mildly dry skin and oatmeal /aloe shampoo reccomendation. The only other "odd" thing noticed was the spay "scar/hole" has been stretched and is swollen and looks puffy. So they told me to keep her activities to a minimum. The best suggestion is behavioral urination, either submissive or her just being a brat and "marking HER" places that we are telling her to get down from. The Dr. is leaning to Submissive, Why she is being this way No one knows.
I actually got flat on the ground and let her get all riled up and playing like we do and after "stop, out, sit" command in a non threatening position (sitting on the floor with her with a treat),After that I was sitting and holding her and she peed..... all over me... rather odd. :confused:

 

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I honestly hope SUKI was not banned for talking back to Miakoda.:mad:

SUKI was one of the best members on this forum and was loved/appreciated by most, myself included. I have looked to see what post may have been deemed so inappropriate that deserved to be Banned. Guess what...did not find one. This leads me to believe her PMs were read and someone did not like her private opinions.

I make my opinion very public and very clear, people need to learn to deal with others that may not agree with you. SUKI is an excellent source for information and was RELIABLY ACTIVE. Yes, I am pissed off.....truth and equality...remember?:cool:

Angels8, I hope your bitch is doing better. Sounds to me there might be something wrong with her. You said she urinated when touched on the belly? Also, i hope you took her to a different Vet than the one who did the spay procedure. If there was malpractice, they will cover their asses.

 

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i agree about SUKI. what is up with everyone getting banned lately? are people gettin banned for having different opinions than the administators. WTH

 

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When did you introduce the pup to the older dog? She might be trying to show you she is still a puppy too. The Stewart Complex "look what I can do!". Or she might just be acting like the female dog she is. I had a 5 year old who you could leave in the house all day with no worries. A little dog moved in, we went to get ice cream and came back 15 minutes later and she had "bent a biscuit" on the living room rug! :mad:

 

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First off, I have nothing to do with Suki getting banned. In fact, I didn't know she was banned until I just logged on, so I have no idea on what the reason could even be. But I could care less if she's here or not. She has the right to her opinion just like anyone else. Trust me, I'm good at ignoring it. :rolleyes:

Second, I recommended that this poster get her dog to the vet first and foremost. None of us on here are vets and even if we were, no one can diagnose a dog over the internet. And it definitely sounds as if something is going wrong either medically (a UTI) or behaviorally...in which case I'd also contact a behaviorist to come observe the dog in the home.

Third, there is a definition for "urinary incontinence" and by the poster's description, it did not fit the defnition or symptoms of. So I'm sorry if I don't agree with some vet's receptionist on her "diagnoses" for this poster.

And yes, with any surgery, any procedure, any vaccination, etc. there is a risk of a possible negative reaction. But if something has a common outcome like what was mentioned above, I don't want to bring my animal to have it done when I know it's not common somewhere else. And I was not making fun of anyone. I was merely stating my preference as I see it.

 

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Regardless of Suki's job description, she has been a very valuable asset to this site for many years and will be missed by a lot of people, myself included. There are recommendations on here everyday by people who don't even own dogs but, they are just recommendations, not diagnosis. I really hope there was something more to it than a opinion. :confused:

 

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One of my dogs had problems weeks after the spay. The scar seemed to be healing smooth and well, but then quite a few weeks later the surgery site became bumpy and puffy with kind of a "bubble" at one end.

It turned out that she was allergic to the suture material used and it caused an infection on the inside stitches. This does not happen very often, but it does happen. They put her on an anti-biotic for 2 weeks and scheduled another surgery to clean it out after the 14 day course of A/B.

Well, it all cleared up thanks to the medication and the surgery was not longer needed and the spay scar is now almost invisible.

It could be the same with your baby, something to check. It just does not sound normal for the scar to show changes like in your baby's case.