Why Cross!!!????????

My question is to the breeders that are crossing with EVERYTHING in sight....why dont you get a PURE bloodline instead of crossing everything you get your hands on?.....i know yall will prolly say somthing like..."get the best of the bloodlines" or somthing to that effect.....YEAH...you may come out with a BAD A** dog but where has the consistency gone....ROCKET LAUNCHED out the window...... whats the use of haveing this "GREAT" dog if you cant reproduce it?...... thats what breeders have strived for the last 150 years ...bred for consistency .....but now adays....the bloodlines have become tarnished in a matter of 15 years....what DOGMEN strived for has been destroyed.........i am just saying this cause one day the GAMEDOG as I know it will disappear is this Crossing SH*T keeps going on

 

this crossing is going to keep happening as long as there is money to be made by winning,and the only way to stay competive is to breed best to the best.I have to agree with you though that it is a shame that so few people are breeding pure bloodlines. Its a shame that the pure bloodlines probable won't last but breeding best to best is the only way to better the breed as a whole.IMHO I don't think many of the the older pure bloodline dogs could still compete at the top level nowadays.

 

when u dont out cross and u keep it in the family after a while u start to lose traits like hard mouth endurance u need all these not just gameness u dont have to out cross a lot just enough to say u did but out cross with good stuff

 

There is no such thing as a pure dog! Why don’t you share your wealth of knowledge in keeping a bloodline pure, while at the same time effectively and consistently preserve certain traits, while not succumbing to genetic faults that go along with tight breedings? Please leave out theories and such; just state facts and you overall success with said breeding strategy. I’m really interested in learning something. Since history has shown that most of the best producers are from one of three breeding combinations.<O:p</O:p

 

When I say "pure" I mean bloodlines like Lonzo, Alligator

 

“When I say "pure" I mean bloodlines like Lonzo, Alligator”
Pure means nothing if the percentage of good dogs is minimal. Alligator himself was a very loose line-bred dog. Zebo was a solid bred. But his dam was another loosely line-bred dog. What do both of these “pure” dogs have in common? Low percentages…especially Zebo he had some solid b!tches back up to him, yet what did he produce...how about his littermates? Why because he was a “freak of nature” and freaks don’t reproduce themselves the fall back to producing what is the average of their bloodline (rank curs).
So as I have pointed out, your "pure" dogs are loosely line-bred or have loosely line-bred relatives. So if they are loosely bred how can they be "PURE" and I was only looking back 1 generation. Not much telling what I would find if I looked back more (too lazy).

 

Well put Texasbulldogs!

KnOck

 

Texasbulldogs, good reply and to the point.

 

well I guess instead of calling them pure lines I should of said tight jeep,eli,redboy ect(sorry still learning)I understand what you mean about no pure bloodlines but what I meant to say is that most breeders have tight jeep,eli redboy lines that they use for outcrossing to other lines for hybrid vigor but once they get a good one that consitatly throws the same good traits to their offspring they will probable start to linebreed it and then outcrossing to other hybrids that are producing,eventually people will stop breeding tight jeep,eli,redboy lines.Maybe I am way off but like I said I am new and still learning.
The reason for all the crossing is to combine the advantages of both lines and hopfully overcomming the disadvantages of each.

 

this ia a ped of one of ### Kershners dog

http://www.apbt.online-pedigrees.com/public/printPedigree.php?dog_id=45661
thats just one and if you look back he is PURE in every since of the word and OR-not will become a ROM his producing abilities are awesome....these are ###'s words...."My dogs are more PURE BAR ANY MANS YARD.....and to say they arent isnt doing MAYFIELD any justice"......when you breed best to best WITHIN THE FAMILY you will have GAME dogs...just to a % that can hardly be compared to....PURE PURE and to say thier not IS NOT TRUE

 

My responsea to the crosses is why do that gene pool becomes SO BIG that you DO NOT HAVE CONSISTENCY....im just tring to say that stick with your family even if it is a cross fmaily breed with other GOOD dogs bred like yours....and as for that guys that said after you family breed for so long you lose traits THAT IS UNTRUE if you do it right you will ALWAYS come out with better dogs just LEARN....D Mayfield has video tapes of him teaching EVERYTHING about gamedogs...i HIGHLY reccomend these tapes for ANYONE wanting to learn THE TRUTH about gamedogs its like going to college...

 

here is one that is really PURE

http://www.apbt.online-pedigrees.com/public/printPedigree.php?dog_id=32887

 

“thats just one and if you look back he is PURE in every since of the word”
Define “pure”. He is a heavily inbred Nigger dog (loose line-bred dog).<O:p</O:p

“and OR-not will become a ROM his producing abilities are awsome.”
That is just your opinion. I’m not a follower of the blood, but going by what the link you provide is shows he is a very LOW-producing dog. He has been bred to 14 bitches; just for argument sakes lets say each had only 5 pups (70 total offspring (that’s only what is listed)). Yet he only produced a total of 6 wins and 1 OTC. So counting the OTC out of every 10 dogs you get you would be able to muster 1 win. Hurray!<O:p</O:p

“ these are words...."My dogs are more PURE BAR ANY MANS YARD.....and to say they arent isnt doing D.M. any justice"”
What do you expect him too say, “I am consider a joke amongst most in the game. My dogs are severely in-bred, low producing, feed burner”? Also breeding bulldogs is not about “doing justice too D.M.”. It is about producing better dogs!<O:p</O:p

“when you breed best to best WITHIN THE FAMILY you will have GAME dogs”
If it is/was that easy (breeding) why is there still cur within every line? Also why can someone breed two game dogs together and get curs?<O:p</O:p

“just to a % that can hardly be compared to”
Refer to above. I’ve known street bred mutts that produced better than your example.<O:p</O:p

“PURE PURE anbd to say thier not IS NOT TRUE”
Again define PURE?

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Do you work for D M , seems to be all you can talk about. The APBT in it's purest form came from Bulldogs/Terriers, which would make it unpure. Through selective breeding people were able to maintain the traits that they wanted, and set a standard for the APBT. PURE means 100% The peds you posted are nice, but when you go back further you start to see the loosenes in the ped. I'm not saying your dog's are not good dog's, I'm just saying I have never seen a PURE APBT. I've seen good Linebreed dog's and good Scatterbreed dog's, just as well I've seen bad Line and Scatterbreed dogs.Everyone do your homework,breed for good traits,and keep APBT's alive.

 

okay first the theory about the "PITBULL" coming from a cross between the old bulldog and a terrier is STUPID the "PITBULL" is the old bulldog...(i believe) when bullbaiting became illegal they starting pitting thier dogs HENCE "PITBULL" thats where the PITBULL and the AMERICAN BULLDOG differ one was bred as a "CATCH DOG" and protector.....the "PITBULL" (when bullbaiting became illegal) was bred for its aggression towards other dogs the gameness has been there all this time....(once again i BELEIVE)

AND NOW for my post towards the people saying these dogs are loosley family bred.....these dogs a PURE what i meant by PURE is that they come from the SAME FAMILY and have been KEPT in this family since DIBO....just look and you can see......these dogs ARE the PUREST FAMILYs .....YES you may say im a mayfield follower...but im not against other FAMILIES im against the constant CROSSING that is going on in todays "FASTLANE" i think people should do a little research on GENE structure before they do these crosses....you all wanna know why the CROSS between JOCKO and REDDBOY worked look at JOCKO's PED that'll give you your answer.......and where did JEEP come from? a PART of this family (MEANING off dibo) and the understanding of DIBO goes back even farther to FEELEY lines and those dogs are PURE and in a since DIBO was a PURE dog from a PURE family....DO YALL SEE WHAT IM SAYING?
and those dogs arent loosley bred!!!!!

 

My response to the crosses is why do that you gene pool becomes SO BIG that you DO NOT HAVE CONSISTENCY”
You need to study bloodlines more, and learn the difference between a cross and a scatter-bred dog. <O:p</O:p
“D M has video tapes of him teaching EVERYTHING about gamedogs”
Why hasn’t he taught himself how to produce winning dog with high percentages? Maybe he could ask R.K.?<O:p</O:p
“HIGHLY reccomend these tapes for ANYONE wanting to learn THE TRUTH about gamedogs its like going to college...”
Is that where you studied (college D.M.)? I’d personally ask for a refund if I was you.

 

Jeep is only 6.25% Dibo, but don,t get me wrong I like Dibo.

 

you know i think you should be in GAMEDOG chat or something with the way you BASH.....do you know who D M is i hope they let this name slide....he IS one of the all time greats in the GAMEDOG history he matched 117 times and won like 80 somthing of them if thats not a good % then i dont know what is....lol.......OKAY there are 2 kinds of CROSSES family cross which would be like to a cousin or something ....and what the other cross is....what most people call a "BATTLECROSS" which yes can maybe produce good dogs (MAYBE) but being able to reproduce that trait is hard...this thing i keep refering to (CONSISTENCY) is what the dogmen of the past has tried to do and people are DESTROYING this thing that became so HARD to keep....im just encouraging family breedings and I AM NOT CONDONNING ANY TYPE of "battlecross" .......dogs should stay in their family....... unless you want somthing that your dogs dont have....dont cross it...... get a bloodline that has what you want .....its that simple QUIT TARNISHING THE BLOODLINES!!!!!!!!!!!

 

I'm not bashing, I'm just saying what I feel. Everything you say has to do with D.M. I know he 's a great dogman, and I'm not disputing that. I'm just saying speak your mind, not his. And If you really think about it just about every line has good and bad dogs.

 

but what sepereates PURER lines from others is the consistency of the GOOD ones produced....NO the results from the IS-not dog is not posted because that is how the magazine was taken down real dogmen dont need documentation to prove their dogs...is-not has only had i cull from his producing career..and that dog ate strict9 or whatever and she never turned on......granted most of his pups are still young but the ones of age are making is-not know for his abilities