Would you let the blood die?

I gotta agree with Pitbull219. I was also enjoying reading some interesting discussion. I want to vomit every time someone with a question or opinion outside of the group consensus gets bashed, shut down, run off. Scratchy's not talking about selling dogs, but keeping them for his own purposes. Isn't there a big difference? To say that people shouldn't breed what they want to keep for themselves is pretty extreme. If I wanted to be policed to that extent, I'd just go to an animal rights board.

 

i'm just curios. if you have a dog with a known backround, and if he is registered, in what case would you breed him/her ? how do you know if they'r worthy ? or do you just bred and then see what happens ? do you have the guarrantee that your dog is a good producer ? and i just whant to say one more thing. i do realize that a dog with unknown history and a dog that is not register are not the same , but maybe you could find in a dog like that a very good bulldog, but then again, you might bring out by breeding him a negative gen that is not welcomed, so i understand why some folks around here are so hyper when it comes to this .

 

Apology accepted, I just get too riled up sometimes. I agree that some people have unpapered dogs because they are dog thieves, that's about the lowest of the low, and those people don't deserve to own this breed. Some people refuse to register their dogs because they are concerned about registration records being turned over to the authorities **cough cough...ADBA...cough cough** Granted, there are plenty of other registries to go with, such as the AADR, but some people I think got fed up with certain things and were left with a bad taste in their mouth and decided not to bother with the registries altogether. I do have a problem with people breeding unproven dogs of questionable or unknown ancestry, and selling such dogs is a sin in my eyes. But, if you have seen what you needed to see regarding the dogs worth and plan on keeping it to yourself, knock your self out. It's improbable they'll amount to much, but if they serve your purpose why not? I know some farmers who for generations have bred dogs for their own purposes, and they are basically mutts, but they perform the tasks they were bred for and are kept for use as working animals.

 

I also have a problem with this.....

 

I feel it is irresponsible to breed dogs of unknown backgrounds. I thought the point of this board was to educate people on the correct way to do things, not be a bunch a lay downs and agree to everything someone wants to do. People saying it is ok to breed the pup you bought in Wal-Mart parking lot because he supposedly has shown his worth.

 

I agree completely...If you are keeping it, and not selling it, and not just pawning it off at the shelter, then if it serves your purpose, then go ahead.

 

I think we can educate without bashing. People are gonna do what they want, and if we chase them away they'll not even have a place to go to get good advice and info. It's hard not to bash people for their ignorance, and I'm guilty of it myself......but ignorance is a lack of information. If we inform without getting abusive, hopefully we can make people see the light and reconsider the way they go about things. I've seen quite a few people get turned around on this board, and I think that's a great thing. I don't want to discourage anyone from sticking around here and learning, but like I said, I have joined in on the bashing before and probably helped chase some people away from here. It is frustrating as hell when people say just unbelievable things that make you want to choke the daylights out of them, but maybe we should make a better effort to be patient with those people and help them do right by our dogs. I know I am going to try....

 

One thing is for sure....if this dog is realy superb and he his proven game and an outstanding fighter...then you know he is NOT a GSD...in other words you know he is a Bulldog because he wipes other Bulldogs (wich have good papers). Who cares about blood or papers if you know you have a good Bulldog? I would breed him and look what the future brings...

 

Here's a laid out scenario: I've seen the grandsire and dam to my male. However I never seen them in action. My males sire and dam are both proven and that's all I cared about was his parents. His sire and dam are a father/daughter breeding which makes this his second litter. His other litter had 4 nice turn outs out of I think 7. We see papers for those who plan on selling their pups or bragging about them, and I'm against both.

BTW:I think it would be nice to have a good dog with some pretty papers if the damn thing could back'em up.


Let's just say this is all hypothetical

 

If someone is breeding THEIR dogs for THEIR criteria, what does it matter to you? Like most have said, as long as the dogs are kept to themselves and their circle, that's fine.

I thought about this thread the other day. One of my family members is in the process of acquiring a new dog. She owns APBTs as well. The difference between us is that she actually chooses to pick dogs with no registration or pedigrees, solely going on the parents. I always try to encourage her to go for dogs with pedigrees and whatnot, saying she won't know what she is getting with the others as far as temperment, size, etc., but she doesn't buy it.
She takes care of her animals, though, in fact one of my first APBTs was one of her unpapered females that she couldn't keep anymore. Not to mention she doesn't breed, so who am I to tell her that her dogs are inferior or not to buy this type of dog? She keeps them and doesn't re-sell them or anything.

So I thought, who am I to tell someone not to breed a dog that has met all their requirements of what they and their family look for in an excellent dog. As long as the offspring and the dogs are under their care and they are responsible for them, they are doing much more for the breed than half of the breeders out here who have excellent pedigrees.

Also, one more thing. A game dog is a game dog. A game dog is not a registered breed.

 

Any of the dogs ever registered?
There are lots of dog out there with pretty papers that can back them up, Macho Buck, El Negro, Andy Capp etc.

 

Unfortunatley there are a lot of people on here that haven't learned anything and keep doing what they are doing and giving out advice on this board.

 

I want to back the train up for a second: are we talking about some dog that was found that looks like a "pit bull" but no one has a freaking clue as to what breed or mix of breeds the dog is? Or are we talking about a true APBT with a known pedigree but just happens to not be registered.

There is a BIG difference in the two.

 

I'd say we're talking about either or here Mia. I personally wouldn't breed something I had no clue on the breeding of.....but what if you had a dog like that and it turned out to be one hell of a bulldog, an absolute ace? As some have said, they would try it out and see how it produced, as long as they're keeping it in their own yard I could care less. Now, an unregistered dog with known ancestry is a no-brainer in my eyes, but there are those that disagree with breeding them too.

 

I am with old timer. That is all that needs to be said.

 

But that's the thing, how in the hell would you know it's a bulldog? It's very possible someone just bred a good bitch to a lab/boxer cross. Yee haw. :rolleyes:

As for registered dogs, I only do single registration on pups. Yet I know their peds & have it all carefully documented. I really don't have a reason to register every single dog I've got.

 

lol But if someone wants to take that dog, not knowing that info, and being that it was a "bulldog" in the sense, breed to it and keep what it produces on their own yard, what's the difference? Not for nothing, but if people think our dogs have been kept as pure as the wind driven snow for the 150 years they've been here, I would say you're wrong. There have been too many stories about people mixing in other breeds since the turn of the century for me to believe that. And I'm not referring to the bluffs, but what we all consider to be true APBT. Wasn't there a controversy concerning black and tan colored APBT's many, many years ago? Some felt the color appeared "overnight" and swore they must've been the result of another breed mixed in. I have also read about respected dogmen, who in their own words started off by mixing breeds together trying to create a gladiator dog before they were introduced to these dogs. Who's to say they stopped "experimenting"? For me, I wouldn't even bother with a dog of that type, except as a pet maybe. But others may want to see what they can do with it, and just like everything else in life, if it doesn't affect my family or myself adversely, I could care less what someone else does.

 

Here's my thing. I honestly don't believe for one second those pups won't get peddled off. Two, & even if they don't, then the resulting pups should NOT get the label of APBT but "mutt" & yet you know what they will get labeled with...........

The APBT is already a formed breed, we don't need any outcrossing going on.

And yes I'm familiar with history. I know this has gone on in the past. And I'm sure it still goes on today. But with the known cases of something like this, I'd like to remind people to step back & see what was produced out of all of this.

And I say this because I don't see most of the people involved in this thread shooting a 10 dog litter of culls.

 

I agree to all of it, I doubt most people on here could cull an entire litter after they raised them for 2 years.

 

Edit:For the sake of being politicly correct...LOL I will agree, most cant cull accordingly! Doesnt make them bad ppl, but they sure the fuck dont need a bulldog.