Why Animals Don't Have Right's

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Let me tell you something city boy if it wernt for hunters ther would be hardly any game left WE are the biggest reason there is land put aside and refuges for wildlife. Plus it dont matter what kind of hunting you do for meat or the wall. The damn thing dies so your point is fucking invaled. But you dont belive ther is a god but OH hell its a sin to you so shoot a big buck for the wall. Its your kind of thinking that has our county in the mess we are in. and by the way if I own a dog it is MINE to do with as long as I give it proper care taking.

 

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You really justify taking a life just to have a trophy on the wall? We'll never agree on that. Never called it a sin, just said I do not think it's right. And trophies aren't necessary - food is necessary. It's sad that animals have to die to feed us, but that's the way it is and always has been.
I hope proper caretaking is what most people do with their dogs, cats, horses, snakes, etc. But because alot of people treat animals like crap, we need abuse prevention laws. Just because you and I do the right thing doesn't mean everyone does.

 

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It's called thinning the herd,it is benifical to the wild animals

 

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Agreed FC - but that means hunting for a reason, not just for a set of points to mount.

 

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To you maybe,to the dead animal it is dead....dinner plate or wall mount

 

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Well I still dont believe that people should be taken away from their families because someone else doesnt agree with how they treat their animals... The animal should just be taken away from that person and that depends on what was done to the animal...

 

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He will never understand what that does or meens I have seen his kind they most are from the big city and have no idea what it takes to do proper game management. they just think its wrong. By the way just though you dont think trophies are important. I dont think a TV is or an computer or having carpet or nice shoes or a suite I could go on all day but its nice to have them. I think its wrong to build big citys and golf corses and big over done malls and big huge gated subdivions but they still are poping up every place you look. now what do you think does more harm the man who may take a hand full of trophy deer or the man who buillds 2500 acre golf corses?

 

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Yep
I don't think it's right building all these McMansions on prime farmland that can never be brought back to life.Talk about shooting ourselves in the mouth:mad:

 

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See how you have a right to that view point... Does someone else have a right to there's...

Legal argument anyone


Judge Says
The courts seemingly have scoured the Constitution and have not found any indication of a civil right that allows people to strap knives on the heels of roosters to fight to the death," she said.
(So now we have to prove negative's, what about you show me where it give's you jurisdiction over personal property, it doesn't say I have a right to eat beef either)

Show me where animal's aren't personal property
Animal Welfare not in constitution not interstate commerce.


EU changes to British fireArms law

EU changes to UK firearms legislation 2010

What's legal to hunt in Britain

You can't use dog's
UK hunting ban revisited 1 year after

UK Hunting Ban 2004

Hunting Act 2004 - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

I know America is not UK but they just tried to ban hunting dog's in the US last session and they're resubmitting the bill during the Lame Duck Session.

 

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"As (LKC) argue, pet owners clearly have a property interest in their animals. See Besws v. Bracken County Fiscal Court, 210 S.W.3d177,180 (Ky.2006) (recognizing that dogs are personal property) This interest is not absolute and is subject to regulation by state and municipal governments. Id. Nonetheless, the government is not permitted to deprive an animal owner of his property without due process of law.”

"Why if any reason other than infringement on other's Personal property"

Are Animal's property...
Can you deprive a man the opportunity to use his property anyway he see fit, if so when can you deprive the opportunity.

 

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If a person has an animal the only obligation that person has to the animal is to feed it and make sure the animal aint layin in piles of shit and puddles of piss.. feel me?

 

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Triple, if you take a look I agreed with him on that point- herds do need to be thinned when they get too big for the ecosystem to support-- that can endanger every animal if it's left unchecked. So I'm not saying that we should never kill anything. Not my argument. I just think it is a disgrace to kill for a trophy as much as it is a disgrace to put a skyscraper or a Walmart where an orchard once was.

 

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Yep they talk bad about the farmer with there mouth full.
What they do around here is like they did to us 25 years ago we had 1,248 acres they build a big gated golf community next to our land. then the roads eat up some then the power lines eat up some then the land value went threw the roof( Now its worth mor to them there is golfers one dumb ball chasin another) then we were fighting zoning boards to keep it ag zoned then. So it went down to 448 acres but that wasent good for them so now we sold down to our little pice of dirt 48 acres that goet this they let it be grandfatherd in so our taxes wont go up any more. Its a bunch of bullshit. and when some one dont have anything to worrie about but how some one treats a cat ,well sir they need to stop sniffing the bad dasies.

 

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Ben I respect your post... But you are wrong

There is no difference... Welfare is an entitlement... Which becomes a basic right

Animal Welfare is a horrible thing... A solid definition of Animal Welfare has never been established... It's just a cover for the people our great grandparents thought were nuts... Animal Right's Activist... It's a Progressive Statement

If an Animal has a right to Humane Treatment it has a right to Live and we don't...

If it's property who and when can you tell another man how to use it, If it's not affecting someone else.

 

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Tell me where the boundaries are. Soon there will be home inspection's for dog owner's, how long before an appropiate home enviroment to a standard they set is qualification for License. (Progressive Statement)

You can't fight Progressive(ism) You have to eradicate it. any conversation is a justification and not long before they desensitize(often by sensetizing {Animal Planet cop shows} Hoarder's and the like(Puppy Mill shows)) and justify the next step. They create law's they can't enforce and new rules for how to enforce them. That infringe on your right's.

And then increase the penalty

 

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All i'm seeing in opposition is opinions. If you wanna think that animals deserve more, thats cool... treat your animals how you wish... but don't expect everybody else to do it. This was never suppose to be a democracy.

You can think its wrong, u can think its a disgrace... but thats no reason to make laws. This is suppose to be a republic, not a democracy. One million people should not be able to affect or take away one persons right and 1 person should not be able to affect or take away the right of millions. So if you have a certain opinion about animals and their treatment... put that into effect with your every day living and be satisified. Don't force it upon others.

 

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They the Crazies are the new man... And spend your tax dollar's (Stimulus Money almost all spent on college research) on how to control you

The Crazies are the professor's and student's

 

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Great Post... I am looking for commonsense legal basis;

A republic with basic rules and representatives for taxes...

America was based on Freedom

 

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Yep and they have the nerve to complain....it smells like pig shit,manure there are flies by my swimming pool...Well hello did you not see or smell the 6,000 pigs before you bought your house..get the fuck out

 

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so if i wanted to take my dog out back and beat it to a pulp with a baseball bat i should be able to do that because its my property and it doesnt affect you?

rather folks admit it or not, animals may not be able to reason...but they do have feelings. just like us.

now im not sayin that we should give animals the right to vote or anything like that, but there are boundaries.

like i said before, they have limited "rights" (in my own words), which is to be humaley kept, healthy, and fed.

no my dog doesnt have the right to refuse service, no he doesnt have the right to choose what he eats, and no he doesnt have the right to free will and go wherever he pleases.

but he does have the right to be properly cared for, and anybody who doesnt value that doesnt need dogs!

juss my 2 cents