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What's Your Definition of a Cur (Split from Bullyson thread)

Discussion in 'Dog Discussion' started by Rock n Rye, Mar 28, 2012.

  1. TripleJ

    TripleJ CH Dog

    Re: What's Your Defination of a Cur (Split from Bullyson thread)

    this has been explained by limey pretty well. there are 5 levels of dogs 1 rank curr. 2-curr,3-match dog- deep deep game and dead game. and to paint them all the same is well crazy! ok can you really say a dog like rascle is the same as a dog who is rank as one who pisses himself? or can you say a dog like snooty is as game as my old jigger dog who was dead game? no ther is a big diff in dogs and a rank curr is not the same as the match dog who went 2 hrs and was stopped. they are both currs, but id much reather have a lot more than the other
     
  2. magnoilaotis

    magnoilaotis Top Dog

    Re: What's Your Defination of a Cur (Split from Bullyson thread)

    To lump a dog who quit while in shock or for any other reason in the same category with dogs who had every reason to stop and didn't is pissing on the truly game dogs. For every quitter who produced well I could probaly name a hundred who didn't, well maybe I can't because you don't hear about them. You quit once, you will quit again. Some may feel it is a macho attitude or ego thing, but I feel it is a matter of standards. I am sure glad there were breeders before me that had higher standards for gameness than most who posted on this thread.
     
  3. TripleJ

    TripleJ CH Dog

    Re: What's Your Defination of a Cur (Split from Bullyson thread)

    Im not saying keep ones who quit or breed one. Im saying currs are not all the same, and to be honest there is alot of dog that are no more than ruff currs that are the foundaitin of alot of strains, the deal is in the Pre 76 there is 2 go in and most case only one victor, now its up to the dog man to see shock witch happens like a theiff in the night, most dont know what they are looking at the dogs stops and is labled curr and thats not allways the case there is about 15 real good dog men I know I have had dogs my whole life and only about 15 Ive seen could see it and pick up to save them most of the time 1hr or so, so when 129 comes your dogs blind cant see or hear really in shock you dont see it he is strong on his feet Well at least he is standing you let him go he dont even know you let him go you werenot tought how to slightly pick up the front end while turning around to let wt on when you relise you havent handled a lot but you dont want to get fouled out so you gently let dog go step away dog is standing lookin that way why dont he go 10 count you have a curr you pick up as he goes limp and shits him self and passes away min later YEA I am glad I know what a curr is and aint. see in that you would walk a way and call that mans dog a curr , There is more to it than black and white
     
  4. Re: What's Your Defination of a Cur (Split from Bullyson thread)

    When I saw 3 pages dedicated to what each of us considers to be a cur, I just had to post something so I don't feel left out lol.
    I'll tell yall right now, I have no clue what a cur is and after reading the gazillion different definitions people have given here I have even less of a clue than I did before.
    Now we even have different levels of cur, something I had no idea even existed. I don't mean to insult anyone but to me all these levels and types of curs are just some way to justify not doing the right thing.
    What I can say as far as we are concerned is that if a dog doesn't cross or at least make a true effort to cross then we won't breed to it and we will cull it. If you want the dog then go ahead and take it, if not I am burying it. If a dog while working makes a bad move, (looks away, turns away, doesn't scratch hard and fast...etc.) then we will cull it. If a dog lacks some qualities that make it competitive, then we will cull it.

    As far as the Bullyson argument, if I am objective about it I would have to say I would never even think about feeding anything off of him. It's easy to say yes I would breed to him in hindsight but at the time Bully was active what would we really have seen? Well in his first match we would have seen a very agressive barnstormer take control and devastate a deep game dog half his size,,, not very impressive I think. In his second match we would have seen Bully easily win over a 15 min. rank cur that had jumped the pit a couple weeks earlier against some preacher's pet,,, not very impressive at all. And in his third match we would have seen him quit to his son. Maybe I would have regreted it later or maybe not but I would never allow anything like that to even set foot on our yard much less to spread its infested cur genes all over it.

    Maybe some of yall think we are nuts or too hard on the mutts or whatever but you know something? To allow anything like Bullyson on our yard would be a great inustice and even an insult to all the other dogs that have shown they deserve their spot. What was the point of culling all those dogs we culled if we are just going to go right back and stick in to our dogs what we just got done taking out? How unfair would that be to our dogs? How unfair would that be to all the offspring of that poor cur that we would have to cull later on for a (bad) decision we made? To me that is the worst type of animal cruelty there is and I want no part of it.

    There are too many variables linked to a dog's gameness and as can be seen by the many posts here expressing different ideas of what a cur is there are many grey areas that surround that subject. I don't profess to know anything and I have accepted this fact long ago so I found it easier to simplify things by putting them in either black or white. The grey areas fall under the black in my book and I go by the old saying,, when in doubt, cull it out.
     
  5. 87buick

    87buick Top Dog

    Re: What's Your Defination of a Cur (Split from Bullyson thread)

    Just to back up on Limey using the human body. As a Marine we conditioned for war in many ways, but a good Sgt kept an eye out for his troops for signs of shock from heat or cold. You see the human body learns to shut down faster once it experiences lets say heat stroke. Once that Marine experiences heat stroke, his body recognizes the heat stroke signs earlier and in order to self preserve itself will shut down sooner. This is a carrier ender for a Marine. But a life saver.

    When we were taught hand to hand combat, we were taught to crab and twist body parts that make the human body follow. Eyes, privates. You violently attacked there and the body's natural reaction was to follow.

    I really feel this subject should never be talked about out on the internet because greenhorns take this shit and run with it and do the most ignorant shit.

    Honestly who gives a shit, what the next man looses in a bet. Its his loss. If he and his corner fucked up and were to proud to pick up thats there problem. Greenhorns love asking q's like this to get info they will personally never learn from experience. Fucking internet Doggers and dreamers!

    87
     
  6. hardluck

    hardluck Banned

    Re: What's Your Defination of a Cur (Split from Bullyson thread)

    hey 87 if you were in the military then you should know we are all exercising our freedoms of speech nothing else nothing more. there are forums for crack cocaine users, Al-Quaeda memebers and so fourth we are only talking dogs man.

    i think them levels hold weight to a certain degree, but id only rate it on a scale of 3. 1 rank curr 2 deep game 3 dead game. 5 is just too much lol. take for instance a frazier and Ali. Ali would have been called a cur if his trainers would have allowed ali to quit. in that instance the trainers were pushing the man for the sake of there egos. frazier didnt want to quit but his only eye that was good was swelled shut. becuase of that fraziers trainer threw in the towel against fraziers will. frazier isnt a curr his trainers had more respect for there fighter than did ali's. a dog that makes it and proves deep game showed himself out and doesnt need to called a cur, but a dog that was stopped with a loss. stamina is the best thing that these dogs can have. and the best attribute to preserve. a dog that makes it well over an hour into the two hour mark even though it had lost should be looked at for the gameness it showed not the gameness it didnt have because that dog took it to another level as did the winning dog.
     
  7. Boze

    Boze Top Dog

    Re: What's Your Defination of a Cur (Split from Bullyson thread)

    so most of you are saying that no matter what the reason is if a dog stops it is automatically a cur, regardless of the psychological and phisiological damage the dog takes. so no amount of shock or blood loss or disorientation can come into play a dog being to young or to old or to damaged does not matter, is that what yopu are all saying i just want to get it straight, nine times out of ten a dog stops because it is a cur but not always. if you can not breath you can not fight, even if ur mind wants to ur body will not.
     
  8. Boze

    Boze Top Dog

    Re: What's Your Defination of a Cur (Split from Bullyson thread)

    thats clearly not true rascal quit once and never quit again, bandit quit once and never quit again, real deals evander quit once and never quit again so those dogs right there disprove your theory
     
  9. Naustroms

    Naustroms CH Dog

    Re: What's Your Defination of a Cur (Split from Bullyson thread)

    id say atleast 4, not every cur is a rank cur.


    You'll see this in dogs too. Many who have been to the edge that will pull up the next time before it gets to that.

    the topic is purely opinions of a word, theres nothing of substance to do ignorant shit. unless someone is making a dictionary or something.

    maybe i didnt read all the replys but idk what youre going on about with greenhorns and being too proud to pickup
     
  10. hardluck

    hardluck Banned

    Re: What's Your Defination of a Cur (Split from Bullyson thread)

    what and whos theory boze?
     
  11. Naustroms

    Naustroms CH Dog

    Re: What's Your Defination of a Cur (Split from Bullyson thread)

    I agree with that. But imo a cur is a cur. A ruined dog is not necessarily a cur. Many dogs have been fucked up by shitty owners/handlers and still gone out game. If its going to quit it'll quit.
     
  12. flipboy

    flipboy Pup

    Re: What's Your Defination of a Cur (Split from Bullyson thread)

    A dog that quits is a curr. 80-90% of the people here I recon wouldn't understand because they haven't seen a true game dog. No offense. There are those that took it (and will take it) all the way to the gates of heaven.
     
  13. hardluck

    hardluck Banned

    Re: What's Your Defination of a Cur (Split from Bullyson thread)

    why shouldn't a cold dog be labeled a cur until proven otherwise? seems to me cold dogs are the same ones that would rather tuck there tail/run/jump or try to hump the dog in the ring lol. two many numbers for me i think thats why there is so much confusion due to the many different scales of reading a dog.
     
  14. old goat

    old goat CH Dog

    Re: Who was the best Bullyson dog?

    and your dogs would suffer from your choice .
     
  15. loudboyjr

    loudboyjr Banned

    Re: What's Your Defination of a Cur (Split from Bullyson thread)

    I agree.... Thats why I love the term im not feeding it... Everybody has thier own opinions and view points hence making every yard different... Thats why ppl have kennel preferences because the same line of dogs display different traits coming from different breeders to a degree... Sorta how gringo said he wouldve never bred to bullyson even considering the contribution he made to the game. As some one else said one mans game is another mans cur... Because youre going to breed n feed what u like regardless
     
  16. hardluck

    hardluck Banned

    Re: What's Your Defination of a Cur (Split from Bullyson thread)

    Good stuff limey thanks for sharing. i think your right to loud boyjr

    maydaymatt my dogs actually coming along great. hopefully he does make champion and i get another blue ribbon asshole. i dont know were you came up with the i hate statement. as i recall you told me to be careful and my reply was "why do i need to be careful, i dont do things to get myself in trouble with these dogs". hay maydayfuckheadmatt you also forgot to ask how college was going. well, im just about done. not that it makes me special but just one more thing that you left out. was there anything else that we talked about? oh how is your mayday frisco dogs comming mayday? well hope they are coming along great and arent just another fad breeder.
     
  17. old goat

    old goat CH Dog

    Re: What's Your Defination of a Cur (Split from Bullyson thread)

    and old goat wat is up with your repeated commends about my sales?? ore hurting my sales when i put douwn my belives. is it that imported for you to know for how mutch we sell pups if i would sell dogs!!..
    you think i CARE. ore do you happend to have blood of our stock and whant to sell it and make money???.
    because you know your selling pups that's why . and you try to act like your not . and you are aways putting your green river dog supplies store on here . get a premium membership if you want to do that . and hell no i don't have that stuff you run . now everyone knows you will bred to a 2 hour cur . there was a cur many years ago that won in over 2:30 hours . then he was on top for along time his next time and curred in over a hour because he could'nt finish . s0o tell us again how the 2 hour cur should be bred . and yes you can ruin them , but that's on you not the dog .
     
  18. RRL

    RRL Top Dog

    Re: What's Your Defination of a Cur (Split from Bullyson thread)

    That guy explained stuff good.
     
  19. NGK

    NGK Top Dog

    Re: What's Your Defination of a Cur (Split from Bullyson thread)

    Now that all that purse swinging is over with can we get back on topic?

    NGK
     
  20. cincyboy

    cincyboy Big Dog

    Re: What's Your Defination of a Cur (Split from Bullyson thread)

    no i cur to me is a dog that can physically go and wont rather its on top are on bottom
     

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