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what do you think?

Discussion in 'Dog Discussion' started by the.peon, Mar 3, 2012.

  1. Rolloboymick

    Rolloboymick Big Dog

    I'd like to recommend the Fila de Braziliero. I've found their instincts to be better than most training. Family loyalty and pure savagery. Loose on the dog yard without drama. Only thing I'm hesitant about is with children . I don't think there'd be a problem but have to go by what I've read on that point, as I have no children and none visit. One of my brothers has done the Brazilian Bandog thing with a Fila bitch and semen from Rollo Boys' Panda (dg), and they're also not a bad guard and family dog. Just can't have them loose on the dogyard like the Fila parent.
     
  2. Dream Pits

    Dream Pits CH Dog

    If it was me I would go with the dobbie for sure
     
  3. Sabong1

    Sabong1 Big Dog

    I have been doing lot of research as well on guard dogs. Lots of good suggestions so far. How bout a Belgian malinois? Have great drive and can hit just as hard as a German Shepard.
     
  4. JamesT

    JamesT Top Dog

    That's what I was gonna say.There also super smart.
     
  5. bamaman

    bamaman GRCH Dog

    Old English Bulldogs are good to..i got friends that use them on farms they work ..laid back ,easy going dogs until a threat arrives.Fantastic with kids.
     
  6. the.peon

    the.peon Top Dog

    The fila is a very impressive breed, and are not like anyother I have encountered. However I feel that it is not particularly the proper animal for my needs. I have always liked them, and found them to be really neat animals just not completely right for my needs, but a very good suggestion none the less.
     
  7. the.peon

    the.peon Top Dog

    I would be interested in pics of them or seeing them while working (if they are solid working animals) I have heard of them, but don't have any first hand experience. Thanks for the response.
     
  8. Icepick

    Icepick Banned

    I know someone who also breeds Bulldogges, while they are impressive in their man stopping work (and I have seen them work sleeves), they are not particularly the most active of breeds. I guess it depends on how much land you are talking about guarding. I'll just say this, my brother is on nearly an acre of land that's fenced in. His one Doberman has a very distinctive path wore into the ground (not just the grass), from running around the inside perimeter.
     
  9. fonzie

    fonzie Top Dog

    Get a big dog. ( not a grat dane ).
     
  10. bamaman

    bamaman GRCH Dog

    Bulldogs sleep alot ..American and Old English Whites..they sleep alot but are very alert even while asleep.Good with the farm animals the working ones are..and very protective over the farm animals and thier human family..even though they sleep mostly nothing slips past them.Where I am from we like the ones with the most white in them seem to be more laid back .I have been told by older people they are smarter,and a more loyal dog..I dont know from experience just what i been told.Like your alpha blue bulldogs is a good example because they are not pure they actually have APBT in them Colby blood to be exact..Its a Bulldog,Colby,Catahoula Curr mix ..which throws off alot of color..They are alot harder to deal with,not as laid back as the Old Whites..But some will tell you they are pure..I am just goin by what the older generation has told me.
     
  11. doginhold

    doginhold Top Dog

    I´d prefer a good Rottweiler from a working kennel!
    Aother good natural guard would be the Turkish Kangal or some Sarplaninac or other Owtcharka Type dog!
    Also some Bullmastiff or Presa Canario will do but they can´t be opposed to extreme cold and rainy weather!
     
  12. jacko

    jacko CH Dog

    have you heard of Soweto German shepherds ?? intelligent family protectors, not too big and will stop a man !!
     
  13. doginhold

    doginhold Top Dog

    Never heard of!
    See I´ve seen some Farmtype Boerboel in South Africa during a four month journey and these dogs have been traded for a few bucks ranging from totally crap to dead serious dogs also!
    There are sometimes too many tales concerning the quality of a breed!
    As far as my experience goes even from the breeds that have been used as guard / protection dogs only 10 out of 100 are what I consider serious dogs!
    It´s all a matter of their mentality, health and training!
    To get you a dog that would get the job done seriously it asks a little more than to trust made up stories and waiting if he would take it´s job seriously!
    There are some methods you can train a dog to protect your property in an accurate style and not getting fooled by intruders that at least have basic knowledge about dogs!
    You need big, impressive dogs with enough physical ability, territorial instincts, some drive and enough self esteem to stand on their own!
     
  14. doginhold

    doginhold Top Dog

    For the record!
    Over here in germany I rarely see an American Bulldog that is a really impressive manstopper!
     
  15. cliffdog

    cliffdog Top Dog

    Of Dobermans, I would not bother. They are great dogs but they are expensive as hell if you want one worth having. Some cheap ones from so-so breeders are good dogs but those dogs will be lucky to live past 5 or 6 yrs, very unhealthy breed that requires a lot of health testing on the parents (OFA, vWD, cardio, thyroid, eye) and that testing drives up the price. A good Dobe pup with full health testing will be no less than $1500. And there are not many breeders breeding good Euro working-only Dobes in the USA so you will likely have to ship so that's more money, and I can say from personal experience that MOST of them are totally against keeping a dog outside so if they know you plan to do that they will not sell to you.

    With all that said if you get a good one it is VERY worth it, but it will be hard to get a good one.

    The same goes with Rottweilers. Both breeds are more or less worthless unless you get them from a good breeder which means $$$. Getting a cheap one will likely be mentally unstable and physically unsound.

    Those are the only guardian breeds I have much personal experience with... Good luck.
     
  16. cliffdog

    cliffdog Top Dog

    By te way... if you are interested a Doberman I can inform you of some good breeders but no guarantee you will be able to buy a pup if they know you plan to keep your dog outside.
     
  17. doginhold

    doginhold Top Dog

    Cliffdog!

    What kind of european quality concerning Dobermanns are you talking about?
    I´m from germany and there aren´t Dobermanns I even consider being worth feeding!
    99 % of them are just a bad joke! Nervy, unhealthy, lacking drives and not even able to perform at a simple Schutzhund class, let alone talking about real work!
    These dogs are not worthy anymore and running into a good one is almost as possible as getting a paparazzi shot of the pope visiting a swinger club! LOL!!!!!!!
     
  18. cliffdog

    cliffdog Top Dog

    Most of the Dobermans I would be interested are in America but have predominantly European blood. Most American Dobermans are conformation dogs... Even the working American Doberman breeders try to achieve something called the "whole Doberman" which is where the dog can do bench shows AND work, but most of these dogs are shoddy at best as working animals, IF they are able to get a SchH1 title, it's only BARELY.

    I can think of at least 5 breeders off the top of my head in America with working Dobermans of Euro blood who have great working dogs which have competed on a national level with Malis and GSDs.
     
  19. cliffdog

    cliffdog Top Dog

    If you think there are no good Dobermans of Euro blood you are wrong, they aren't common (good working Dobermans are not common ANYWHERE, they have largely been ruined!) but they are there. Von Bayern, von der Krillenburg, vom Ferrenberg, von der Mooreiche, vom Maindreiek, and one or two more, all good bloodlines that exist today.
     
  20. doginhold

    doginhold Top Dog

    Then there are more of them than over here in germany!!!!!!!!!!

    The whole Dobermann is just BULLSHIT!!!!!!

    There are some outstanding german shepherds I know that won´t have a chance being bred because a teeth is missing and other shit like that!

    Conformation should always be taken as a guideline but not as a selective factor concerning working dogs!

    There´s so much stupidity out there that I seriously think they want to create dogs that can´t perform but look like they could perform!

    The GSD is also a breed that has been nearly destroyed by sheer stupidity!!!!!!

    Most of the police and military forces over here are turning into Malinois and lately Hollandse Herders instead of the GSD!!!!!!!

    Imagine that! We do live in germany, we have the GSD, the Giant Schnauzer, the Dobermann and the Rottweiler all breeds created to work and there´s such a lousy quality left that the k9 units are turning into foreign breeds!!!!!!!!!
     

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