What do you think of the Toney Blood?

any opinions on this line and dogs like this :


<TABLE cellSpacing=0 cellPadding=0 width="100%" border=1><TBODY><TR><TD vAlign=center align=middle colSpan=4>PR LILLY'S MASTER YODA
</TD></TR><TR><TD vAlign=center align=left colSpan=4><TABLE cellPadding=2 border=0><TBODY><TR><TD> </TD><TD vAlign=bottom align=left>BREEDER: JERLES & ELAINE LILLY
OWNER: Screamer's Kennels
REGISTRATION #: 55300F-37
SEX: MALE
COLOR: WHT/BLK/TICKED
CHAIN WEIGHT: 62LBS.
BIRTHDATE: 1996-08-10
POSTED: 2001-04-09
LAST MODIFIED: 2004-08-29
No OF VIEWS: 11604 times
3xw by Jerles Lilly. PR UKC/ADBA-Based off of Underground Bloodlines : Toney & Lees Also based on old Carvers,Colby,etc.


</TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE></TD></TR><TR align=middle><TH colSpan=4>Generations in Pedigree</TH></TR><TR align=left><TD>First</TD><TD>Second</TD><TD>Third</TD><TD>Fourth</TD></TR><TR><TD vAlign=center align=left rowSpan=8>(Sire) PR LILLYS ADDIES TRAP </TD><TD vAlign=center align=left rowSpan=4>GR CH TONEY'S B-ATTITUDE 7XW </TD><TD vAlign=center align=left rowSpan=2>PR PARKER'S MATT DYLAN </TD><TD align=left>PR THUNDER ALLEY </TD></TR><TR><TD align=left>PR PARKER'S CARMEL CANDI </TD></TR><TR><TD vAlign=center align=left rowSpan=2>PR TONEY'S GIGGLES </TD><TD align=left>PR TONEY'S BAMA </TD></TR><TR><TD align=left>TONEYS SILKY DREAMMAKER </TD></TR><TR><TD vAlign=center align=left rowSpan=4>P.R. TONEY'S MISS TOES </TD><TD vAlign=center align=left rowSpan=2>PR TONEY'S BAMA </TD><TD align=left>LEE'S BIG RED </TD></TR><TR><TD align=left>Tyron's Tish </TD></TR><TR><TD vAlign=center align=left rowSpan=2>TONEY'S VELVET ROSE </TD><TD align=left>LEE'S BIG RED </TD></TR><TR><TD align=left>PARKER'S AARON MISSY </TD></TR><TR><TD vAlign=center align=left rowSpan=8>(Dam) PR LILLY'S MISS YO -D YO </TD><TD vAlign=center align=left rowSpan=4>SEAYS COPPERTONE </TD><TD vAlign=center align=left rowSpan=2>LEE'S BIG RED </TD><TD align=left>KEHRES' MAN </TD></TR><TR><TD align=left>DOHERTYS SPORT </TD></TR><TR><TD vAlign=center align=left rowSpan=2>SEAYS' MS MOLLIE </TD><TD align=left>LEES BLACK JACK </TD></TR><TR><TD align=left>LEE'S WHITE FIRE </TD></TR><TR><TD vAlign=center align=left rowSpan=4>P.R. TONEY'S MISS TOES </TD><TD vAlign=center align=left rowSpan=2>PR TONEY'S BAMA </TD><TD align=left>LEE'S BIG RED </TD></TR><TR><TD align=left>Tyron's Tish </TD></TR><TR><TD vAlign=center align=left rowSpan=2>TONEY'S VELVET ROSE </TD><TD align=left>LEE'S BIG RED </TD></TR><TR><TD align=left>PARKER'S AARON MISSY </TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE>

 

i like Toney blood and i liked Toney himself.ol Toney was bought by Bob Wallace early in his career,Toney was a great great grandson of Searcy Jeff who was a damn fine dog in my opinion.then Bob bred Toney back to madame Queen wich produced King cotton who in my opinion is one of the best dogs in my opinion.infact cotton and Toney became cornerstones of Bobs breeding program.Toney was a good dog who won his matches on heart because thats about all he had going for him everything else was just average and nothing to really write home about.no one knew or even dreamed Toney had as much heart as he did untill they seen the famous match that took place in Rulesville Mississippi back in the early 40's that changed everyones mind including my own.toney was matched against a dog named Ted and ol Toney fought through not one but 2 broken shoulder given to him by Ted.with the first broken shoulder Toney held his own and never showed no signs of a broken shoulder and just looking at it there was no way to tell.Toney would get holds on Ted even with that busted shoulder but they was always short lived and Ted stayed on top.ol Toney never showed any signs of quiting,then Ted busted Toney's other shoulder and well past over a hour into the match then Bob picked him up.and after much thought Bob put Toney back down for a courtesey scratch really just wanting to see if he would actually do it.and to everyones suprise Toney did it no one ever thought he would do it but he did.he done it very slow and very diffrent but with that same grit he had at the begining.Toney inched along using his back legs since his front was worthless,hell he even flipped over on his back and scooted along to get there.then after 2 minutes he made it to Ted and had to be taken off using break sticks.ol Bob and many others including myself had a tear in our eyes and the whole room stood up and applauded Bob and his dog.Bob wrapped him up and took him home in a blanket and took him home as a retired dog.after that match no one had a doubt in their minds this was a special dog and was always and still is considered to be a damn fine animal.i know this was kind of a long story to tell you but that should anwser your question about whether or not this is a good line to get them off of.though it may not be as pure as in earlier times it is still something i think would be worth taking a chance on.

 

"PR" Lilly's Master Yoda has nothing to do with Wallace's Toney old Timer. There's not one drop of Wallace's Toney blood in him. Mountaintop Kennels a.k.a. Jerles and Elaine Lilly bred Master Yoda and Screamer's Kennels a.k.a. Screamer's Pit Bulls a.k.a. Scott and Barbara Williams owned him. Master Yoda died in May of 2005 and his online pedigree show him as an unreported 3XW by Jerles Lilly.

Toney's Pitbull's a.k.a. Hassel and Melody Toney of West Virginia is the "Toney" bloodline YoungLion is referring to if I'm not mistaken, not the Wallace's Toney line.

I know that Wallace's King Cotton was a grandson of Searcy Jeff through his Dam Wallace's Madam Queen but how do you get Wallace's Toney being a great great grandson of Searcy Jeff ? Wallace's Toney was off of (Sir) Clark's Tige and (Dam) Hall's Black Magic.

 

when anyone asks about Toney spelled the old fashioned way of Toney and not tony i always just assume that they are asking about that dog regardless of what they post.now cotton was a great great great grandson of jeff.Toney was bred back to Madam queen wich in turn produced king cotton.now if i am not mistaken there is a nice article in dick strattons book.the large coffe table sized one wich also states the same thing i belive.

 

Here goes since I probably know more about them than anyone else out there. Screamer is a puppy peddler. I owned too many dogs off this stud , only 2 turned out. The Toney Rd. Block Joey blood. Dont waste your time with this. He wasnt smart enough to know what good breedings he did, he was too scared to look at a dog. Screamer says these are game bred dogs and they are not. Nothing on this guys yard has been looked at. I know because I lived next door to him in Ridgeland S.C.. He now lives in Lu Ray S.C. Beware of this paranoid character, he talks these dogs up entirely too much.

 

Is this the Toney' blood that you are talking about? http://www.freewebs.com/toneyspitbullsofwv/

 

This is the real tested Toney dogs. I have met the man, been to his home W.V. Bought dogs from him. I cant say anything bad about him. I just dont run these dogs anymore. If you wanted the blood get it direct from him, not from South Carolina.

 

LOL. I was doing some fishing, but guess you didn't take the bait old Timer. What I'm trying to get at is if you know the breeding behind Toney? I do. All of the information you've posted so far can easily be found in one of Strattons books or a few others but no book I've ever read has Toney's complete true pedigree in it. Only someone with intimate first hand knowledge or by having it passed on to them by someone who did would know. Thats why I was fishing!

I've never met "Screamer" before but I have met some of the currs he peddles off as gamedogs and I know why they call'em Screamer dogs. ROTF&LMAO! *Edit too much personal info.

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No I dont knowem. I dont have any dealings with S.C. doggers. I run a different line of dogs now.

 

Bump!


Ive been lookin at his dogs for awhile now and Im looking into getting a few pups from a recent litter, I hope I wont be as disapointed tho.

Nice too see some other peoples opintion and please give more.

 

are you guys talking about wallaces talking toney...or some pr mutt im lost.the real toney was a lightner dog i beleive.

 

No, they are talking about Hassel Toney's dogs from West Virginia.

 

oh i knew you was doing some fishing but i wasn't gonna spill the beans on a public forum some things are better left alone.<LABEL for=rb_iconid_12></LABEL>

 

"spill the beans on a public forum" ??? Come on old Timer, all of the information you've posted so far on him can very easily be found in one (actually 2) of Strattons books or a few others. No book however, or at least none that I've ever read has his complete AND true pedigree in it. Only someone with first hand knowledge or who had it passed on to them would know it. Do you know it (I do) or is that a question your telling me is "better left alone" (ie: one you won't answer)? Here's a lil something for you... "Dollie" ???


Regards;
Jack

 

Jack = Walking-Breathing-Living Gamedog Encyclopedia Man

 

I believe we were talking about something totally diffrerent than you Jack, lets stick to the subject at hand. Someones asking a question trying to learn, and you and this other cat need to take your subject to pm, because I dont think anybody here cares about your argument, or who knows more about some ancient friggin dogs. How thick are your glasses bro. Might need a new script.

 

Nobody's arguing here bulldogv. At least not on my part. I corrected a mistake, thus aiding in the EDUCATIOINAL value of this forum by pointing out that Wallace's Toney has absolutely nothing to do with "PR" Lilly's Master Yoda, something that YoungLion or others may have assumed after reading old Timers post. After all isn't that what this forum is all about, the history of the American Pit Bull Terrier or has something changed here that I don't know about?

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Regards;
Jack

 

So whats the problem with screamers pitbulls?

Besides not being up to par with you programs.

 

no we are not arguing. jumped in kind of quick there with out knowing what was going on 100%. and jack yes i do know the breeding but like i said some things are better left alone